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Peterson suspended for season

Paullyboy

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I really don't care if he doesn't play for the Vikings again. I am not a passionate fan at all, I simply chose them years ago because of randy moss. I'm just an NFL fan and think it's ridiculous that he is receiving this punishment for disciplining his kids.
 

T.S Quint

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I really don't care if he doesn't play for the Vikings again. I am not a passionate fan at all, I simply chose them years ago because of randy moss. I'm just an NFL fan and think it's ridiculous that he is receiving this punishment for disciplining his kids.

Disciplining you kid is one thing.

Peterson did this to his son:
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No child should have to endure that, no matter how undisciplined they are behaving.
It's not like his kid was a teenager or anything either - he's 4 years old ffs!
 

nick87

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I think the punishment is excessive, he did wrong, but it didnt come from a malicious place, he was simply disciplining his child the way he was taught, the way he was disciplined himself. That's part of society, there are still people who think a good flogging is what misbehaving kids need.

Peterson did the wrong thing, but he really didnt know any better in this case. He does now and i think he should have been reinstated.

This is a completely different and far more complicated matter than domestic violence ALA Ray Rice
 

DC_fan

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I think the punishment is excessive, he did wrong, but it didnt come from a malicious place, he was simply disciplining his child the way he was taught, the way he was disciplined himself. That's part of society, there are still people who think a good flogging is what misbehaving kids need.

Peterson did the wrong thing, but he really didnt know any better in this case. He does now and i think he should have been reinstated.

This is a completely different and far more complicated matter than domestic violence ALA Ray Rice

Totally agree Nick. Its all about educating people.
 

Paullyboy

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Did anyone here not cop the occasional whack when you were a kid? It was what instilled fear in your elders, which in turn created respect.

Too many kids nowadays are treated with far too much care and they are growing up as smart arse wankers with no fear of authority. That's not going to work out well for anyone.

I applaud Peterson for using discipline. He may have gone slightly overboard on this occasion, but it didn't cause any serious harm to the child and I bet the kid will respect authority from now on.
 

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Did anyone here not cop the occasional whack when you were a kid? It was what instilled fear in your elders, which in turn created respect.

Too many kids nowadays are treated with far too much care and they are growing up as smart arse wankers with no fear of authority. That's not going to work out well for anyone.

I applaud Peterson for using discipline. He may have gone slightly overboard on this occasion, but it didn't cause any serious harm to the child and I bet the kid will respect authority from now on.

There's discipline, and then there's just plain physical abuse. A smack on the bum, favourite toy taken away or being sent to bed with no dinner, that's discipline. Repeatedly striking a defenceless child until he bleeds? That's physical abuse, and no child should have to endure that.

AP was a poster boy for the nfl, and role model to millions. The NFL were right to take a stand on this as the behaviour exhibited by AP has no place in today's society
 

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I think the punishment is excessive, he did wrong, but it didnt come from a malicious place, he was simply disciplining his child the way he was taught, the way he was disciplined himself. That's part of society, there are still people who think a good flogging is what misbehaving kids need.

Peterson did the wrong thing, but he really didnt know any better in this case. He does now and i think he should have been reinstated.

This is a completely different and far more complicated matter than domestic violence ALA Ray Rice

So ignorance is an excuse for beating your child? Come on, nick. Surely, as a fellow parent, you know what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. If it's plainly obvious to you and I, then surely it would've been plainly obvious to AP
 

nick87

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So ignorance is an excuse for beating your child? Come on, nick. Surely, as a fellow parent, you know what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. If it's plainly obvious to you and I, then surely it would've been plainly obvious to AP


Its not an excuse. Look here's the thing man, we can not apply what we know to others. My wife works in child protection, i hear some horrendous stories that would make you sick. Sexual abuse and physical abuse, neglect etc
None of its good, none of it is acceptable, and no child should have to go through it. However it's not as simple as just saying they should know better. When all you've known in your life is to use violence to settle your problems (including playing a violent game for a living), then that's exactly how you are going to deal with it with your children

and as Paullyboy has shown, this no physical thing is still very much up for debate, i dont believe in hitting children, my child will never have a hand laid on them that isnt a loving one. If i need to discpline them, ill do so via other means. But not everyone is me, plenty of people i know will indeed us physical disciplinary methods, and they dont see anything wrong with it.

Now that's not saying that doing what AP did was right, but parenting is hard, it's frustrating and if you have made the decision that physical discipline is something you want to do, i can see how an otherwise, loving, caring father might go over the top as AP did in the moment. Especially if that's how he was raised, that's how his father disciplined him, that's how his brothers, his cousins, his friends, his school friends were all disciplined.

It's as much a cultural issue as anything else. He's from Texas, a notriously hard and old school state, it's a different environment that you or I have grown up in. I know physical discipline is a largely ineffective and sends the wrong message about how to deal with problems, but then i know that because im a reasonable intelligent person who has some reasonable level of education. I read articles in the paper, stuff on line about this sort of thing.

Adrian Peterson has been a sportsman since he was a kid himself, i very much doubt if before this he had or knew a single thing of why physical discipline is no really an acceptable thing anymore. He's probably been handed grades his entire schooling life without ever actually having to pay attention. Put bluntly he grew up being taught this was the right way to discipline his children and he's never been told or had reason to believe it's not.

And there is a real element to the points Paully raises. Kids are growing up with less and less respect these days, all that "get off my lawn" stuff has legitmate roots. Lots of good, productive people grew up being hit and see no reason why they shouldnt hit their kids. That's just a fact of life, that mentality still very much exists even in people who should know better. Let alone going down the track of the entire "dont tell me how to raise my kids" factor. Which again, is real and legitimate.

The point is this is a very complicated matter. This isnt a casoe of him just getting angry and belting his kid, that's child abuse. This is a case of a man who has been brought up with the mentality that respect and discipline is beaten into you, and it's works for him, so he in turn is using what he was taught from his own cultural upbringing on his own children.

It's not an excuse, it doesnt make it ok. And even though EVERYONE agrees what he did was wrong, at the very least he is guilty of going over the top, but there is a lot of grey in this entire debate.

The answer isnt lambasting Peterson from pillar to post. He isnt a bad dude for this, just one who didnt really know any better.

IMO the NFL should reinstate him, he's already missed 9 games, fine him the 6 game cheques, which is consistant with their new policy (i.e suspended for 6 games without pay for first time offenders) and then if he's willing, make him the face of a NFL campaign to help educate the masses on why this is frowned apon

Banning him isnt going to help address the matter, education and using someone with his profile as a vehicle for that education would 100% be a better outcome than banning him.

Let him back on the feild, do his thing, entertain the fans and then after the game, let him tell them how he's learnt that we now know better than to do this to our children. Let be an advocate for a change in culture. Ask any child protection specialist, they'll tell you it's just not as simple as "they should know better and not do it"... it's not that black and white.
 
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Paullyboy

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Solid post.

I definitely agree that there are going to be some very different opinions on this one.
 

kurt faulk

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Did anyone here not cop the occasional whack when you were a kid? It was what instilled fear in your elders, which in turn created respect.

Too many kids nowadays are treated with far too much care and they are growing up as smart arse wankers with no fear of authority. That's not going to work out well for anyone.

I applaud Peterson for using discipline. He may have gone slightly overboard on this occasion, but it didn't cause any serious harm to the child and I bet the kid will respect authority from now on.

Do you applaud adp for stuffing his son's mouth with leaves?

The guy is a wacko.

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Frederick

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Good post, nick.

I guess from my point of view I just can't fathom how anyone could do that to their own flesh and blood, especially when it's a child who can't defend themselves.
 

Paullyboy

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Good post, nick.

I guess from my point of view I just can't fathom how anyone could do that to their own flesh and blood, especially when it's a child who can't defend themselves.

I understand your sentiment and I'm not saying Peterson didn't cross the line. I'm saying this punishment is so ridiculously disproportionate.
 
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