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Pick your 15 man 2019 World cup squad + OFFICIAL SQUAD ANNOUNCED 15/4

lockyno1

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Well if we replace Stoinis with, say, Turner then we'll be relying on Finch for overs unless Maxwell bowls ten.

If you don't reckon Short is more likely to take wickets and threaten batsmen than those two straight-breakers I'm not sure what to tell you.

Well I am, actually. I'd call you an idiot.

If we want a bowling option despite him being absolutely awful at test level, the best ODI option we have is Mitch Marsh.

Personally I wouldn't play Carey, get Handscomb to keep and play an extra bowler, Cummins is more than enough to bat 7 in a ODI.

Smith can bowl a bit too.

Short is never going to be picked, he's done nothing Internationally, or very little at least, and we don't need yet another opener.
 

Bazal

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Lol 6 bats and Cummins at seven? Actually given they will likely still pick Maxwell it's five bats...

Well at least you've reminded me why I disregard all of your opinions....stick to private jets or talking up bets or whatever personal you're up to.
 

TheParraboy

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Carey is a lock at this stage to keep and bat at 7, if you look at our 8 game winning streak, he was vital in a couple of those games, and no opportunities in most of the others as the top order fired.

Im not sure Smith, SMarsh and Khawaja is all required,one will miss out, possibly 2, particularly you have Hanscomb there who bats in the top 5 and is the reserve keeper. I think they will keep Khawaja.

Theres only been 3-4 IPL matches per side so far, Warner is the form batsman there, killing it. Smith , whilst early days has been average. I watched one of his innings and he just couldnt find the boundary, couldnt put the boundary ball away, was frustrating to watch. Was the match Dhoni scored 75 off 40 odd balls. Like I said early days but I hope we just dont pick Smith blindly if he is not showing any form.


Finch
Warner
Khawaja
Handscomb
Maxwell
Stoinis (or a turner/ short)
Carey
 

AlwaysGreen

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They would be mad to drop Carey and won't . You can't go into a world cup or any series without a specialist keeper, it just doesn't work - either they miss chances or the fatigue playing in the unfamiliar role for 6 weeks kicks in and effects their batting which nullifies the reason you go with a part timer in the first place.

To the selectors credit they've realised that not every keeper is Gilly who needs to open, Carey at 7 is his right spot.

Short - if they were going to pick him they would have in the 2 series just past.

Smith has to be there, he is class and I reckon losing the burden of captaincy might assist him in the shorter form.
 

simmo1

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MS Stoinis dropped anchor again in the IPL last night. How long will he keep living off one innings in NZ?

Better off with a hitter like Turner or just picking the extra bowler. Unfortunately, it looks like Short will not even be considered.
 

tomdl

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Because who else is there, who has been in good limited overs domestic form, who plays the hitter role that literally every other side in the WC has?

We might beat Pakistan in the UAE plodding along to 285, but that's a laughable total in the world cup. That probable squad has one batsman who strikes over 100. One!

You are massively over rating Short. Big bash form means little. Khawaja had also dominated big bash when he has had a chance to play a full season. Big bash bowling is extremely poor and Short has yet to show he can go the next level, Khawaja now has.

Scoring runs against Bumrah, Bhuvi, Boult, Steyn and Rabada is a little different than scoring bowling lineups made up of grade cricket quality bowlers. Langer knows this and it’s why he ditched the big bashers after those woeful SA ODI’s last year.
 
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Bazal

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You are massively over rating Short. Big bash form means little. Khawaja single handedly won the big bash when he got the chance to play a full season. Big bash bowling is extremely poor and Short has yet to show he can go the next level, Khawaja now has.

Scoring runs against Bumrah, Bhuvi, Boult, Steyn and Rabada is a little different than scoring bowling lineups made up of grade cricket quality bowlers. Langer knows this and it’s why he ditched the big bashers after those woeful SA ODI’s last year.

Yeah, absolutely do not agree. Short averages 45 in ODD matches at a SR 113. He's smacked a 50 over 237 with a record number of sixes at a ground not very different to some of the ones we'll play WC games on. To say he is nothing more than a Big Bash player is quite honestly ignorant. To believe that a player can explode onto the international scene in four spaced out games is wishful thinking.

Sure, he's a bit of a flat track bully, but as if the likes of Bairstow, Buttler, Hales and Roy are any better in that regard. ODIs are all about belting the ball on flat tracks these days.

Anyway Short is just the one I believe is best suited because he also offers some overs to help replace plod Stoinis. You could go for Turner or McDermott down the order. Even Sam Heazlett had a JLT SR well over 100 at a good average IIRC. Any option with a strike rate over 85 or so, which is pretty much where all of our current top 7 bar Maxwell sit. Warner might help, but after 12 months out surely we can't rely on just him and Maxwell to push the momentum?

Your point about ditching "Big Bashers" after SA simply illustrates that we got the balance wrong there. Right now, we've got the balance wrong the other way and a lucky escape in India and belting the most hit and miss side in the world on slow tracks in the UAE isn't comparable to what we'll be expected to do in England.

The favourites both have players who strike way better than ours do. For England only Joe Root strikes at under 90, and if they pick Roy they will have four of their top 6 over 100. India have some slow starters, but we certainly don't have a single batsman (not even Maxwell IMO) who can match the likes of Rohit and Kohli after they face 50 balls or more.
 

tomdl

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Yeah, absolutely do not agree. Short averages 45 in ODD matches at a SR 113. He's smacked a 50 over 237 with a record number of sixes at a ground not very different to some of the ones we'll play WC games on. To say he is nothing more than a Big Bash player is quite honestly ignorant. To believe that a player can explode onto the international scene in four spaced out games is wishful thinking.

Sure, he's a bit of a flat track bully, but as if the likes of Bairstow, Buttler, Hales and Roy are any better in that regard. ODIs are all about belting the ball on flat tracks these days.

Anyway Short is just the one I believe is best suited because he also offers some overs to help replace plod Stoinis. You could go for Turner or McDermott down the order. Even Sam Heazlett had a JLT SR well over 100 at a good average IIRC. Any option with a strike rate over 85 or so, which is pretty much where all of our current top 7 bar Maxwell sit. Warner might help, but after 12 months out surely we can't rely on just him and Maxwell to push the momentum?

Your point about ditching "Big Bashers" after SA simply illustrates that we got the balance wrong there. Right now, we've got the balance wrong the other way and a lucky escape in India and belting the most hit and miss side in the world on slow tracks in the UAE isn't comparable to what we'll be expected to do in England.

The favourites both have players who strike way better than ours do. For England only Joe Root strikes at under 90, and if they pick Roy they will have four of their top 6 over 100. India have some slow starters, but we certainly don't have a single batsman (not even Maxwell IMO) who can match the likes of Rohit and Kohli after they face 50 balls or more.

Going to have to agree to disagree then. I just don’t rate Short and I definitely do not rate runs on Hurstville Oval, those boundaries are literally under 13 sized. Our domestic one day comp is a joke until we play on proper grounds again.

Btw, Khawaja has 2200 domestic runs at 54. He has made a 50+ score every 2.6 List A innings. Short has scored almost a 3rd of his List A runs in 1 innings and not done much else. Khawaja is a class above.
 
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Bazal

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Going to have to agree to disagree then. I just don’t rate Short and I definitely do not rate runs on Hurstville Oval, those boundaries are literally under 13 sized. Our domestic one day comp is a joke until we play on proper grounds again.

Btw, Khawaja has 2200 domestic runs at 54

Yep, guess we are. BTW I wouldn't be dropping Khawaja for Short (or Turner or whoever), it'd be Stoinis who has all the early acceleration abilities of Tim Mannah.

I suppose all I would say is that it's not specifically about Short, it's about the balance of the side and having another hitter. I actually don't like the England side for winning the WC...you need a couple of Khawaja types to hold down an end. It looks great when they all fire and you get 400, but their response to being in trouble is to hit the ball harder and that doesn't often work. They've gone too far into big-hitter territory IMO.
 

Eelectrica

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Is declaring war on Jamaica and annexing their territory and calling it a new state of Australia so as Andre Russell is eligible for Australian selection in the WC too extreme?
I'm not seeing the problem right now. 48 off 13... I mean that's just insane.
 

AlwaysGreen

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2018 - you can't pick Khawaja to play in Asia because he can't play spin.

2019 - you can't pick Khawaja to play in the world cup because all of his runs have been scored in Asia
 

Bazal

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I mean, Short should be there, but not at the expense of Uzi.

Warne with his agendas shining through once again. He was on Uzi's case all summer, now that he's in the runs he manufactures a half arsed reason to double down on the agenda. Classic Warne.

The day people stop giving him a platform and respecting his opinion just because he was a great bowler will be a new dawn for Australian cricket. The man is a moron
 

Eelectrica

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I got no problem with Short being included. I feel like he should have been in the ODI squad to India and Pakistan instead of doing whatever he was doing in the shield.

Stoinis is the one to drop. His bowling isn't that great and his batting is going no where. Khawaja can be in at 3 if Warner fails then he and Finch can steady us for a while whilst still accumulating runs.

If Warner fires, keep momentum going and put Short up there. He can afford to have a few balls to get a feel for conditions then accelerate his scoring.
 

Iafeta

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Warne is dumb AF. I seriously cannot believe he picks Short over Khawaja. What a numpty. The more he opens his dopey mouth, the easier it is to side with Stephen Waugh or John Buchanan.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Very silly some of these experts.

Stoinis is in the side off the back off one, admittedly excellent, big innings 2 years ago. International bowlers have since worked his plod out.

Now off the back off one innings Healy want Turner in as well.
 

tomdl

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Heals, Tubbs and Warne all have left him out out now. The old nein boys club not keen on a bloke who wont be thirsty for some frothies after winning the WC.
 

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