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Player of the Decade

Ridders

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With the decade coming to an end, it will be interesting to see the general consensus of who can be attributed to have been the dominant player. The 80s had Magic and Larry, the 90s had MJ, while I think this decade is defined by the following 3, and in the order I believe they are in.

1) Tim Duncan

Doesn't have the flashy or sexy game of other superstars, but imo is the player of the decade. The real marvel with Duncan is the consistency he has shown throughout his career. Has been a dominant PF/C for this entire decade and as a testament to the man, his teams have been in contention for the title for every season of the noughties. Plus I give him major credit for being a guy who attracts very little controversy and has always been a great team-mate, unlike the next two players I'm going to mention. Thats not even getting into the completeness of his game. I've always felt that Duncan was a guy, especially in his prime, he could score much more than he did, but was always looking to keep the rhythm of his team-mates going. To me, thats what separates him from other superstars.

Along with his brilliant offensive game, he was just as good on defense and would have to be one of the best defensive big men of all time. It's one area of the game where Duncan has a distinct advantage over Shaq imo.

2) Shaquille O'Neal

While he has certainly been a fading force for the end part of this decade, you can't ignore how dominant he was at the start of this decade. While he did have Kobe, the numbers he put up in the Finals for the Lakers three-peat were stunning. Also while he wasn't the A player in Miami, he also allowed Wade to get over the hump to win the Heat's first ever title. I've always been a bit disapointed with Shaq in terms of his commitment to his conditioning and health. I genuinly feel that if he had the same commitment to the game as Duncan or Kobe, not only would he be the dominant player from this decade, but rivaling MJ for the GOAT title.

3) Kobe Bryant

Like Shaq, he's certainly had his fair share of controversy this decade, although his image has certainly taken a large boost in recent years. His greatness cannot be denied though. He is without a doubt imo the dominant back-court player of the decade. At the start of this decade we had arguments like Kobe vs Vince Carter, Kobe vs T-Mac and even Kobe vs Paul Pierce. As the decade's gone on, those guys may have faded but Kobe's still remained in the discussion and we've had arguments like Kobe vs Lebron and Kobe vs Wade. That in itself is a credit to the man's longevity. I've also always admired his reported work ethic and hunger to be the best at what he does. While I think Duncan is the most complete big of this decade, I also think Kobe is the most complete back-court player. There is nothing he can do on the court. What really sets up apart from other back-court players is his superb post-game, which he's had for a while but has really gone to this season.
 
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Stranger

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Personally i would have Timmy below Shaq. Although anther name to throw in the air would be Steve Nash, although in the NBA Rings do all the talking.
 

Ridders

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Shaq's been great, I just feel that Duncan has been more consistent.

Nash has been great. This season has done alot to add to his legacy imo. Perhaps as much as his MVP seasons.
 

Special K

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I can't split Shaq and Kobe.

I don't think Nash comes in over Kidd this decade even with the two mvps. Kidd carried New Jersey for years and atleast got them to the final twice.
 

Stonecutter

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Kevin Garnett: carried the T-wolves.

Nowitzki: What would Dallas be like without him????

Just a couple more names to add.

But Duncan of course will always be my pick.
 

ByRd

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Kobe is my pick with Duncan and Shaq close behind. Really any of these 3 have a case to be the player of the decade but i chose Kobe cause of the 4 rings, mvp, finals mvp, scroing titles, all star mvps, the 81 and bouncing back from the crap he went through.

Also, he is still at the top of his game where Shaq has declined and Tim although still good is starting to decline a little.
 

McLovin

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Duncan...3 rings and imo, the most consistant player since 2000-now.
7 time first team all-nba, 3 time seconds team all-nba.
7 time all-nba defensive first team, 3 time all-nba defensive second team.
2 time MVP.
2 time finals MVP.
Guaranteed 20-10 every night.
Has all the moves in the post at one end and a defensive force at the other.
A winner. Always leads his team to 55+ wins...

Spurs since 2000 are 537 wins, 225 losses...

All without the massive ego and carrying on that most superstars carry...
 

Ridders

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Almost forgot how dominant Shaq used to be until I checked out the boxscores for the 2000, 2001 and 2002 NBA Finals.

2000 NBA Finals - 6 games - 38 ppg, 17 rpg, 2.3 apg, 61 FG%, 2.7 bpg
2001 NBA Finals - 5 games - 33 ppg, 16 rpg, 4.8 apg, 57 FG%, 3.4 bpg
2002 NBA Finals - 4 games - 36 ppg, 12 rpg, 3.8 apg, 59 FG%, 2.8 bpg

Those are ridiculous numbers.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Not sure how a Lakers fan can forget how dominant Shaq used to be, but the question definitely comes down to Shaq & Duncan with Kobe being a distant third. I'd lean towards Duncan, if only because he has individually been so consistent, and his teams are also always so consistent - you can't say that about Shaq. Shaq's peaks have definitely been higher, but his troughs have also been lower.

A healthy Duncan has never missed the playoffs - you can't say that about Shaq (last year), Kobe (2005), KG (multiple years in Minny) or any other superstar from the last decade.

Duncan is also having another MVP-calibre season but nobody knows because the Spurs have gotten off to a slow start - check out his stats:

20 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 3.3apg, 2.1 bpg on 55% shooting (matching career high) and 76% from the line. He's one of only two players averaging a 20-10 this year, along with Chris Bosh, and is in the top 10 in every statistical category among centres, except for steals (16th), including first in points and assists. At the age of 33, he's having one of his finest years.
 

The Dodger

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it is a hard choice.

i have never liked kobe (i felt the same for jordan too back in the day), but you can't deny he has been sensational throughout his career.

i would be a fool to say he wasn't the player of the decade.
 

Ridders

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That video does bring up an interesting point, that Kobe's been to the Finals 6 times this decade, which is remarkable in itself. Only thing that discounts from that imo is that 4 of those times he was the 2nd option to Shaq.

The fact that Lebron is ahead of Shaq in that SN poll turns me off a bit.
 

Broncodr01d

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That video does bring up an interesting point, that Kobe's been to the Finals 6 times this decade, which is remarkable in itself. Only thing that discounts from that imo is that 4 of those times he was the 2nd option to Shaq.

The fact that Lebron is ahead of Shaq in that SN poll turns me off a bit.

I am not worried about the pollsters, just the commentary from the panel.

Kobe can't win I guess. He had to win with out Shaq - check. Did that. Lakers are dominating yet again this season, if he wins a 5th title, will that be enough? Probably not.

I think Kobe is a clear #1 ahead of Duncan and Shaq.
 

Ridders

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Duncan's been winning titles as the first option his whole career. SA have been in contention every year he's been in the league. Can't say that about Kobe and the Lakers, specifically from when Shaq was traded after the 04' Finals, to the time they picked up Gasol in the 2007-2008 season.

Kobe's been awesome and I love the guy. Like I said before, he is imo undisputedly the dominant back-court player of this decade, I just can't put him ahead of Duncan (or Shaq for that matter).
 

ByRd

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As was said in the video, on any day you can make a case for all three and they are all legitimate players of the decade, but as i said Kobe is my personal preference.
 

Tiger Hawk

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He had to win with out Shaq - check. Did that. Lakers are dominating yet again this season, if he wins a 5th title, will that be enough?
No. Because that's all happened in the last 2 seasons. The question was the player of the decade.

Putting aside all the personal controversies surrounding Kobe over the past 10 years, the reasons I absolutely cannot consider him above either Duncan or Shaq:

1. During his contract negotiations with LA in 2004 he made the ultimatum to LA to trade Shaq or he would walk.

2. In the second half of the game 7 against Suns back in 2006, he refused to shoot, passing the ball constantly in a blow-out loss. He took 3 shots and scored 1 point in that second-half. Duncan, Shaq, KG, LeBron, Wade, Anthony, hell Brian Scalabrine would kill themselves trying to save that game. Kobe, in some sort of weird "I'm sending a message" way decided he'd rather lose that game and consequently the series than win it, for reasons only he knows. Shameful. Vince Carter would have been proud.

3. He stole MJs fist-pump. Ok ok, this has nothing to do with him as a player per se, but it still pisses me off. Introducing the "stick teeth out, clenched jaw" face is just embarrassing, as is introducing his own nickname, Black Mamba.....I take it he watched Kill Bill that summer....

4. Heading into the 2008 season, he demads a trade, Chicago offers a trade which Kobe then blocks because he felt he'd be going to a worse situation.

So if we're scoring at home that's at least three times since 2004 he's thrown his team under the proverbial. He was certainly the most gifted, talented and glorified player of the past decade. But you can't name him the player of the decade when Duncan has matched (or exceeded) all of Kobe's achievments whilst never:

1. demanding a trade,
2. quitting on his team, or
3. taking a "him or me" stance.

It's a team sport, something it took Kobe three freaking years between the Shaq-Kobe and Kobe-Gasol eras in LA to figure out and embrace (at least in part). In that time, he did as much to prevent a quicker resurrection by the Lakers as anyone else, yet blamed everyone else.

In the end, you're right, he "won without Shaq". I'm sure he remembers it that way too, and not just simply "we won".
 
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^ Good post.

I just finished reading Phil Jackson's "The Last Season". (funny title considering he's still there.)

It's the season where they lose the finals to Detroit and Kobe seems like a right little bitch.

No doubt he's a good player but I definately see Kobe Bryant in a different light.

He reminds me of one of those little brats screaming and stomping their feet in the supermarket.

It's not a bad read, Phil Jackson comes across as intelligent with a balanced view. Seems to be honest in his observations.

I would be interested to hear Jackons opinion on this topic, having coached Kobe and Shaq against Duncan in many important games.
 

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