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Nuffy

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Round 17 Edition: Big League

Injury Knightmare

As glorious as their 2001 upset grand final victory over Parramatta was for Newcastle, it heralded the start of the worst injury run for a club in NRL history. Story by Ben Everill.

Here are the statistics that confirm the Knightmare. Newcastle have not had their number one team on the paddock since their 30-24 grand final win over Parramatta in 2001.

After celebrating their first win in 294 days with a 280-24 win over Penrith last Saturday night, Big League can reveal the Knights have suffered the worst injury run in the NRL history. While all clubs suffer injuries, it is the quality of players missing that has stung the Newcastle team, with three or more 'marquee' players missing from 75 percent of their games since their NRL triumph.

"If that's the price you pay for winning a competition, then I think we've more than paid our due," Knights coach Michael Hagan said sarcastically. "It's been quite unbelievable since that time. In my 20 years in the game I can't recall a run like this."

Bulldogs strength and conditioning coordinator Scott Campbell, who was with the Knights in 2001, admits the Knights' toll has been well above what would be considered average. And he records such events in great detail.

"A good year is if you average about 10 percent of your top roster unavailable each week, so that's 2.5 players a week," Campbell says.

Considering the statistics this story has collated only relate to marquee players and doesn't include the likes of Todd Lowrie, David Seage and Adam Woolnough, the Knights are well above the average.

The Knights have had 100 'injured player games' this season already, which means they average over seven players missing each game. To put that in perspective, the Bulldogs won last year's premiership with an average of just 1.78 injured player games and the worst Campbell has recorded in over 10 years in the game is 5.2 for the South Queensland Crushers in 1996.

Plenty has already been said about the Knights' financial woes, a problem that sees them without a fulltime physiotherapist or masseuse - making recovery and injury prevention more difficult. But these management issues have been supplemented by some horrific luck, particularly over the last two seasons.

"The stats just confirm and accentuate what we've known and shows why it's been tough," Hagan continues.

Breaking down the stats even further, it becomes apparent the Knights' number one halves pairing and hooker has played just one game together in the past 35 matches. Andrew Johns, Kurt Gidley and Danny Buderus haven't been able to consolidate what should be a damaging combination for the Novocastrians.

The only time they all lined up since round three, 2004 was in round six this year against the Warriors, when the Knights fielded their strongest unit for a while, missing only Mark Hughes and Josh Perry from their nucleus. But after setting up what seemed to be a match-winning lead, Daniel Abraham broke his leg and Johns ended up with a busted jaw, while Todd Lowrie (kidney) and Dustin Cooper (groin) also went down, which helped the Warriors storm home to victory.

"Your halves and hooker run your football team and you'd like to think you'd get eight or 10 or more games in a year with those guys, who are your nucleus running the team," Hagan says. "I can't recall having the 17 we named train all week and then play and I can't recall having the same squad two weeks in a row. It's also been a very long time since we've finished a game with 17 fit players."

With injuries like a broken leg, broken jaw, ruptured kidneys, ruptured testicles, torn hip capsule and torn tear duct, there is certainly an element of bad luck, but inadequate injury management can also be blamed. Gidley has had several quadriceps problems, something that may have been lessened with further treatment.

In the 98 games since that premiership triumph, the Newcastle Knights have only come close to fielding their best side on eight occasions, the last time being in round one, 2004. They started that season with their top 10 players on deck except for former NSW Blues fullback Mark Hughes, but within three weeks they were also missing Johns, Steve Simpson, Timana Tahu and Robbie O'Davis.

It remains to be seen if a turn of luck plus an improvement in injury management resources can help arrest this awful trend and whether it will give the Knights their first wooden spoon in their 18-year history.


Casualty Ward

Games missed by Newcastle's marquee players since the 2001 grand final.

Current Players
Played
Missed
% Absent

Kirk Reynoldson
7
7
50 %

Andrew Johns
48
41
46%

Mark Hughes
48
41
46%

Steve Simpson
57
32
36%

Daniel Abraham
64
25
28%

Josh Perry
69
20
22%

Danny Buderus
70
19
21%

Kurt Gidley
50
13
21%

Matthew Gidley
78
11
12%

2002-2004

Adam MacDougall
13
38
75%

Ben Kennedy
40
35
47%

Timana Tahu
43
32
43%

Robbie O'Davis
47
28
37%

Story from Big League


THE ADMIN SHOULD BE RECRUITING THE NECESSARY STAFF BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON - DO WE NEED ANY MORE EVIDENCE.
 

Nuffy

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I'm absolutely amazed that the club has had access to these stats and hasn't done anything about them, its damning evidence against the clubs on and off field management and shows negligence of the highest order.

Also the scary thing is it doesn't include all the second tier players that have been injured throughout the last 3 years
 

the_knights_rule

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Nuffy said:
After celebrating their first win in 294 days with a 280-24 win over Penrith last Saturday night

i wish that was the score line :lol: woulda been good for our for and against.

but on a serious note, that is shocking. ive always thought that we hd a terrible injury toll, although fans of other teams always say no yours inst that bad, every team has injuries, well this just confirms how bad it really is
 

Alex28

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God I knew it was bad but those stats are amazing...

The sooner Wests get on board and add some professionalism to this club - the better.
 

Parki

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doesent make me cry, it makes me angry. Angry that the people responsible for this are still there, that i am still pumping money into their fat disgusting wallets each year with merchandising and season ticket money, and more importantly, ANGRY that this sh*t will continue to keep happening until were dead broke, and they can no longer suck the life out of a once mighty and noble football club. But hey, none of us can say we didnt see it coming, just that we were too powerless to stop it.

Anyone with any ideas, feel free to post them, i personally dont think i can put up with another season of heartache like the one weve had
 

Jono078

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the_knights_rule said:
i wish that was the score line :lol: woulda been good for our for and against.

That would have put us on -30 including the Roosters game :lol:.
 
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Nuffy said:
I'm absolutely amazed that the club has had access to these stats and hasn't done anything about them, its damning evidence against the clubs on and off field management and shows negligence of the highest order.

Also the scary thing is it doesn't include all the second tier players that have been injured throughout the last 3 years

Its no co incidence the stats or KPI that Scott Campbell Quoted of average players missed per game.. he has never done worse than 5 and the Knights are running at 7...... Thats the difference betwen having a professional Campbell and a novice Clarke & Peden (The Jets deserve them both).

I bet Billy Johnstone runs at below 2.0

Yeah funny its taken the Knights 4 years to realise.

And now they've realised I suppose they are going to wait the usual SIX MONTHS it takes Tyler and his cronies to look into most things before they act.
 
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Parki said:
doesent make me cry, it makes me angry. Angry that the people responsible for this are still there, that i am still pumping money into their fat disgusting wallets each year with merchandising and season ticket money, and more importantly, ANGRY that this sh*t will continue to keep happening until were dead broke, and they can no longer suck the life out of a once mighty and noble football club. But hey, none of us can say we didnt see it coming, just that we were too powerless to stop it.

Anyone with any ideas, feel free to post them, i personally dont think i can put up with another season of heartache like the one weve had

You say that EVERY year Parki you drama queen. We cant say some people didnt warn us about inept managment many years ago.

Even very ealry this year a few posters asked people who want to make a difference to BECOME members and have the only say possible.. by voting the inept managment out. The sad part is it takes 3 years because of the constitution Hill set up to kep them in longer.... and worse still... Nobody knows or gets to see the constitution so we arent able to figure out if there is an alternative way to vote them out - like a vote of no confidence.

Its the apathetic club supporters and members that have themselves to blame for our curretn crise. For putting up with what management have done to our club.. year after year after year
 

Misanthrope

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Amazing statistics. I've been telling people about our injury woes, but I never even began to imagine things were as bad as this. Jesus. It puts it in harsh perspective. The fact we've been competitive at all is pretty damn amazing
 

Johns Magic

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The Little People said:
You say that EVERY year Parki you drama queen. We cant say some people didnt warn us about inept managment many years ago.

But you've only been here since May :shock:
 
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Scott Campbells not having a good year this year .. he is at the bulldogs.

They cancelled there training session today as only 4 guys could run...

i think the article is pointing to the issue of BAD LUCK... most non "one eyed" supporters would see that....
 

RABK

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Johns Magic said:
But you've only been here since May :shock:

Yeh i've got suspicions about TLP's identity.

About those stats....nothing short of atrocious and a farce. It can't be allowed to continue.
 
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I read that last Wed morning on the train at 6 in the morning and yeah put me in a bastard of a mood for the rest of the day.

With that amount of injuries deadset you'd cut just about f'n anything else, and spend it on rehab and conditioners you'd think, I wonder what those cheerleaders are on per hit......

Maybe half there number and that would be an extra physio per week?
 

CycloneSteve

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As I have said on numerous occasions.....we are NOT a bad team. We are just having a horrible run of injuries, probably due to some inept mangement from the club. We get a full team on the paddock and we will beat almost anyone.
 
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chriswalkerbush said:
Amazing statistics. I've been telling people about our injury woes, but I never even began to imagine things were as bad as this. Jesus. It puts it in harsh perspective. The fact we've been competitive at all is pretty damn amazing

Once you take out the Parramatta 50-0 and the earlier one sided games... from about the Warriors onwards we have been in the hunt for all but two of those games for the best part of 80 minutes. So I would guess there are 6+ games that we have lost by less than 6 points. Had we had a better hunger to win in those 6 and done so we'd be on 18 and still in semi's contention.

There one funny thing about bad luck, the worse they manage injuries the more injuroes we have. Hmmm I think Managment are just starting to grasp that difficult concept.

I think its only been since Clint Newton came back that he has put fire in the forwards bellies and made them believe than can win. And look at the difference THAT makes. The hunger is back - Bring on the Cowgirls
 

Ben

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The forwards arent the problem with the club, its the backs. Its not surprising because Hages has done some mixing and matching with the forwards and the bench and they are certainly performing. If he could do the same with the bench and maybe drop Carmont and Quinn for an extended period of time, we may be able to start winning consistently.
 

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