Points Cap

[The Engineers Room]

This is yet another reason for a transparent points system.

NRL/ESL Games

<10 - 20pts
10-24 - 25pts
25-49 - 35pts
50-74 - 47pts
75-99 - 60pts
100-149 - 72pts
150-199 - 85pts
200-249 - 97pts
250+ - 110pts

SOO/Test matches

0 - 0pts
1-2 - +2pts
3-7 - +5pts
8-12 - +10pts
13+ - +20pts

One team service
5yrs - -15pts
10yrs - -35pts
& Junior Club - -10pts

Rep exemption
Last rep game
<3yrs - 0
3-5yrs - -50% of rep points
5+yrs - -100% of rep points

Maximum points for a player is 100, minimum is 20 points

I think maybe a junior rep points could be +5pts.

The team would have all players assessed even feeder club players and the top 25 at any time cannot average more than 65pts as an example. The average points would have to be investigated on a broader level.

Players can recieve any payments they like. Points to be updated for each player at the time the contract is accepted by the NRL. That way points can be finalised for a season. Also, the amount they are paid will be registered and the players cannot earn any less than that for the contract period. So a sponsor signs up for the contract length.

This system will encourage players from the ESL to return and young players to stay with third party agreements filling the NRL and the clubs over time may even be able to pay less for their players.

No team will be able to gain an advantage with more experienced players worth more and rep selected players at a premium.

 

[RufusRex]

first thing is that it becomes easy for the unscrupulous to break the cap of an opponent. Esp when you dont have independant coaches/selectors in rep teams.

For instance, assume the dragons were at their points cap level ... Someone wanting to destablise the dragons could select Beau Scott/Matt Prior fir 3 origin games and add 15 points to the teams points.

The NRL does not have the integrity to make any system like this work.

 

[taxidriver]

The NRL does not have the integrity to make any system like this work.

but the independent commission might

 

[RufusRex]

also would make the points cap per game played more bell curved ...

<10 - 20pts
10-24 - 25pts
25-49 - 35pts
50-74 - 47pts
75-99 - 60pts
100-149 - 72pts
150-199 - 85pts
200-249 - 70pts
250+ - 60pts

means players like Luke Priddis wouldnt be "pointed" out of the market.

 

[The Engineers Room]

also would make the points cap per game played more bell curved ...

<10 - 20pts
10-24 - 25pts
25-49 - 35pts
50-74 - 47pts
75-99 - 60pts
100-149 - 72pts
150-199 - 85pts
200-249 - 70pts
250+ - 60pts

means players like Luke Priddis wouldnt be "pointed" out of the market.

That is where long term service to a club would come into it in most cases. I take the point with Priddis and Wesser is another.

But I would probably not curve it as much perhaps

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[Johns Magic]

Terrible idea

 

[Pierced Soul]

it's a good idea, it allows a clear transperancy to stop clubs making underhand payments. allow them to pay what they can negotiate but your footballing value remains the same

 

[Ike E Bear]

Not bad in theory. Practicalities could be difficult.

 

[ozjet1]

FMD!

transparency can be sought by publishing player salaries, as they do in the NFL.

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/default.aspx

points system does not reflect a player's value in the market, the basic premise of any commodity or contract for service.

 

[babyg]

Use the fox fantasy league system.

Seriously though a points system is a good one. Just has to be managed.

 

[Eels Dude]

Yeah no. Why punish players for playing more games. And how do you rate test players equally when it's a lot easier to break into the NZ side than it is Australia. It will also force clubs to shed players mid contract as their value will increase mid contract. Legally that cannot be done. It will be impossible for clubs to moniter such a system when the value of the player is out of their hands.

 

[Rovelli]

Could work, but it's overly complicated.

Rewarding player loyalty would be one good thing to come out of it.

Also, the NRL wouldn't be as competitive without the level playing field (salary cap).

 

[Lego_Man]

Doesnt take into account form and "rep darlings". Someone like Steve Turner would command massive points even though he's not that good...

What about positions?

Eg a halfback might be the same points as a prop, simply on experience...yet you wouldnt argue that he is equally valuable to the team overall.

Also players might end up getting screwed by this. Say a player, for whatever reason, was in a position where they were "on the market" after most teams had finished their recruiting. If he was of sufficiently high points value, he simply would not be able to get a gig anywhere else. Whereas under the current format he could sign a backloaded contract deal for say 3 years and receive his money later.

 

[madunit]

the more complicated you make it, the more loop holes people will find.

Hows about, if a player stays with a club for 5 consecutive seasons, half their salary is exempt from the salary cap.

And if they stay for 8 years, 75% of their salary is exempt from the salary cap.

or some such similar thing.

 

[Vicious]

Needs a lot of tweaking, but it`s a great base to start with. Each club should be able to have a marquee player that is totally exempt and each club should be able to stretch that to two, possibly three marquee players ONLY if all players have never played at another club.

Also, the NRL needs to start contracting the top 25 players the same as how the Australian Cricket Board does. Make all of these players the maximum rating whether it be 100pts or whatever it is and the ONLY way these players can be lower than the maximum 100pts would be one club allowances, 25% discount for 5 years at one club and 50% discount for 10 years at one club.

 

[madunit]

Doesnt take into account form and "rep darlings". Someone like Steve Turner would command massive points even though he's not that good...

It works in reverse too, Say someone like Israel Folau who played 40 odd games and was playing origin and test footy.

His value should be a lot higher, but the points system would have him as a similar value to say John Morris or Daniel Fitzhenry.

 

[Vicious]

It works in reverse too, Say someone like Israel Folau who played 40 odd games and was playing origin and test footy.

His value should be a lot higher, but the points system would have him as a similar value to say John Morris or Daniel Fitzhenry.

Can avoid this problem by reading my last post. The top 25 players need to be contracted by the NRL and therefore they have to be allocated the maximum points, eg 100pts. Only way for them to become lower than the maximum 100pts is to play for the one club for 5 consecutive years where they get a 25% discount or play for the one club for 10 years and get a 50% discount.

A points rated Salary Cap is the only way to go, to spread talent, but also allow Rugby League to have the best athletes on earth playing the game as they can earn what they are worth !

 

[Eels Dude]

Also, the NRL needs to start contracting the top 25 players the same as how the Australian Cricket Board does. Make all of these players the maximum rating whether it be 100pts or whatever it is and the ONLY way these players can be lower than the maximum 100pts would be one club allowances, 25% discount for 5 years at one club and 50% discount for 10 years at one club.

You can't do that in the NRL. It works in Cricket and Rugby because all the money made from the game comes from internationals. So having players contracted makes sense as those players are going to play heaps of tests every year. Their respective boards pick their 25 squads or whatever based on who they want to play for Australia. The NRL is a competition, and it's not restricted to Australia so you can't operate a similar system.

 

[Vicious]

You can't do that in the NRL. It works in Cricket and Rugby because all the money made from the game comes from internationals. So having players contracted makes sense as those players are going to play heaps of tests every year. Their respective boards pick their 25 squads or whatever based on who they want to play for Australia. The NRL is a competition, and it's not restricted to Australia so you can't operate a similar system.

How much money do you think the NRL earn from TV deals, sponsorship, sale of merchandise etc ??? A lot more than what Cricket Australia earn, that`s for sure and certain. No reason whatsoever why the top 25 players shouldn`t or couldn`t be contracted. For the good of the game it shouldn`t matter where the players contracted originate from, it should simply be the 25 most valuable rugby league players available, the players who best promote the game with their on field ability and off field conduct !!!

I`ll give you a rough list right here:
Billy Slater, Greg Inglis, Cameron Smith, Cooper Cronk, Jonathan Thurston, Scott Prince, Mitchell Pearce, Jamie Soward, Michael Jennings, Benji Marshall, Robbie Farah, Darren Lockyer, Israel Folau, Isaac Luke, Anthony Watmough, Sam Thaiday, Petero Civoniceva, Jarryd Hayne, Darius Boyd, Brett Morris, Josh Morris, Kurt Gidley, Ben Hannant, Terry Campese and either Ben Creagh, Luke Lewis.

*** It would obviously be a close call choosing between players such as Ben Creagh and Luke Lewis as others such as Glenn Stewart, Roy Asotasi, Adam Blair, Preston Campbell, Andrew Ryan, Nathan Hindmarsh, Luke O`Donnell, Paul Gallen, Matty Bowen and Justin Hodges etc would all also have claims to this final spot, but the chosen slection board could make these hard decisions after each season is complete.

*** That is just a rough guide to start with and exludes players such as Brett Stewart, Todd Carney and Greg Bird who would ideally be there on talent for obvious reasons and also excludes others such as Lote Tuquiri and Timana Tahu as they would have to again earn their spot after leaving the game.

 

[Eels Dude]

How much money do you think the NRL earn from TV deals, sponsorship, sale of merchandise etc ??? A lot more than what Cricket Australia earn, that`s for sure and certain. No reason whatsoever why the top 25 players shouldn`t or couldn`t be contracted. For the good of the game it shouldn`t matter where the players contracted originate from, it should simply be the 25 most valuable rugby league players available, the players who best promote the game with their on field ability and off field conduct !!!

That's not my point. Perhaps they could, but who decides the top 25? And how does this help the salary cap's purpose of keeping the playing field even?

It's a different situation in rugby or cricket because they have selector's boards who decide the NATIONAL squad and do so based on who they expect to play for Australia during in their dominant international seasons.