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Price and Doust please take note

possm

Coach
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Price couldn't just build upon Bennett's systems, he had to make his own mark and gamble the club's standing in the comp.


Well the experiment has failed and so Price should go back to what our players are good at. We saw the brick wall defence in action for most of last night's game and if the rest of the formula was put back into place maybe we would have a chance to make the top 8.


I suggest Price eats humble pie and implements the following:

Re-form the left side attack/defence system. We still have all the players - except Boyd -who made up that great system. Make this attacking weaon a feature of our game once again.


Take the plunge and put Lett, Goodwin or Cummins at fullback. Enlist a personal coach for the new fullback initially working on the things Boyd did well at fullback. Especially the way he chimed into the backline feeding Cooper and Morris with attacking opportunities.


Do what is necessary within budget to recruit Jennings and put him at right centre. Offer him a base salary of 450k with an insentive deal. Get Soward, Jennings,Nightingale, the new fullback and Sott aside to work on combinations. The extra strike attack that Jennings provides will stop the opposition targeting Cooper and Morris. Jennings is a tried and true attacking centre, the perfect replacement for Gaz.


Kyle is improving every game now however, it is very plain that he is not a fulltime centre. His brother may be a good centre however, Chase has still not been fit enough to show us anything. Jennings is the man for the job for the remainder of 2012. He may move to left centre when Cooper retires.

Move Kyle to the bench in place of Fein and give him game time at halfback. Instruct him to run to the line at every oportunity. Recruit a halfback coach to provide Kyle with specialist training. Someone like Joey Johns would do the trick.


Get the pack back into the rythem of presenting the brick wall in defence. When coming out of their own half, have the the forwards go back to the safety first system for tackles 1-3 in attack and look to develop a short passing game similar to that of the Bulldogs for tackles 4-5. Protect Soward and Kyle when kicking on the last tackle. Provide a good kick chase as in the Bennett days.


Tell Soward he does not have to run to the line unless he feels there's an oportunity to make/create a line break. Instead tell him to look to provide that special pass to put his team mates through the hole. Soward is scared of being hit hard and will always be scared of this. Bennett recognised this and designed a system which gave him protection/confidence. It was because of this Soward became one of our best ground making weapons. Go back to the system of the Bennett era for Soward, it worked. The main reason Soward was trying to move away from his comfort zone was to satisfy the SOO selectors.


Generally, have the backs standing deeper in attack and train them to run at pace onto the ball. Pass the ball out in front of the receiving player. Keep flat passes to a minimum using them as a suprise rather than as the norm. In defence have our players move up quickly in a line with Soward being give a sweeper role rather than a target for the oppositions forards. Soward can tackle and will do it well in this role. He is also our best player at pouncing on the short kick. Soward reads a game well and could better make the extra defending player at the critcal point in the defencive line.


Ok Price let's go. Now you do have a plan and if you implement it, the Dragons can begin to take their rightful top four position on the ladder.
 
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64 Dragon

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I just finished reading it on another post. None of it will ever happen. Don't ask me why, it just won't. Price and Doust don't visit here, ever.
 

hewi

Bench
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Possm, what a great post. Thirteen rounds to undo three years of good work. If it doesnt change for the next game we are gone for 2012. Im shattered!!!
 

Breathingfire

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We are struggling this year for one reason and one reason only. Our player stocks!
We won the premiership in 2010 with Boyd, Gaz, Costigan, J Smith and Saffy. Not to mention Cooper, Fein, Hornby and Young were all 2 years younger.

This was bound to happen and the blame can be put squarely on a mixture of the recruitment team and the salary cap. The cap is doing its job but poor management is only making the impact of the cap more significant than it has to be.

Price is doing the best he can with the players at his disposal. Hopefully we can recruit a squad that is decent enough to rise to the top again. Time will tell!

As for coaching the backs to run onto a football?!?!
I think they learned that in under 6's.
 

possm

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We are struggling this year for one reason and one reason only. Our player stocks!
We won the premiership in 2010 with Boyd, Gaz, Costigan, J Smith and Saffy. Not to mention Cooper, Fein, Hornby and Young were all 2 years younger.

This was bound to happen and the blame can be put squarely on a mixture of the recruitment team and the salary cap. The cap is doing its job but poor management is only making the impact of the cap more significant than it has to be.

Price is doing the best he can with the players at his disposal. Hopefully we can recruit a squad that is decent enough to rise to the top again. Time will tell!

As for coaching the backs to run onto a football?!?!
I think they learned that in under 6's.

Yes these are contributing factors but not the main factors and nothing that could not have been solved with some player rotation - Hornby, Young Fein and some of the Cutters who have not made first Grade - Goodwin, Emmett etc - should have been let go for 2012. And instead of buying fringe players to replace stars, we should have picked up some quality reliable replacements such as Carney, Fifita, Gibbs, James, Chambers, Inu etc.

Now mid season its clear the experiment has failed and it's time to make changes that should have been made before season's start. Sure the above players and more have signed with other clubs now but its time to try for the players that might be available; Jennings, Lewis, T-Rex, Manu and others. All Doust needs to do is let the player managers know we are interested in recruiting and they will come to us.

And for God's sake put players into their proper positions; Moz to left wing, Flo to right wing, Stanley to halfback and bring in one of our fullbacks-in-waiting like Lett, Goodwin or Cummins.

It's all not so hard and definately doable.
 
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Fire

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I just finished reading it on another post. None of it will ever happen. Don't ask me why, it just won't. Price and Doust don't visit here, ever.

Imagine they did. They'd fair dinkum be pissing themselves laughing!
 

Blood Shot Eyes

First Grade
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We are struggling this year for one reason and one reason only. Our player stocks!
We won the premiership in 2010 with Boyd, Gaz, Costigan, J Smith and Saffy. Not to mention Cooper, Fein, Hornby and Young were all 2 years younger.

This was bound to happen and the blame can be put squarely on a mixture of the recruitment team and the salary cap. The cap is doing its job but poor management is only making the impact of the cap more significant than it has to be.

Price is doing the best he can with the players at his disposal. Hopefully we can recruit a squad that is decent enough to rise to the top again. Time will tell!

As for coaching the backs to run onto a football?!?!
I think they learned that in under 6's.



Mate your spot on especially with this comment..... We are struggling this year for one reason and one reason only. Our player stocks!
We won the premiership in 2010 with Boyd, Gaz, Costigan, J Smith and Saffy. Not to mention Cooper, Fein, Hornby and Young were all 2 years younger. Somewhere in another thread today I mentioned it myself we just DONT have the personell.......the recruitment team need to look long at hard at quality replacements...just where god only knows....Im all in favour of developing our young players but they need to be playing with some marquee types or they to will be looking elsewhere in the future themselves.
 
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possm

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I just finished reading it on another post. None of it will ever happen. Don't ask me why, it just won't. Price and Doust don't visit here, ever.

That's OK. But really they should be reading what the Dragons supporters are saying.

If they don't read these posts then maybe someone who knows Price or Doust and also reads this will tell them. Or maybe the Telegraph will pick elements up as 'things happening at the Club'.
 

gypsy

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Like that time you were rambling about Carney signing for 3 years?
Cool story possm.
 

64 Dragon

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That's OK. But really they should be reading what the Dragons supporters are saying.

If they don't read these posts then maybe someone who knows Price or Doust and also reads this will tell them. Or maybe the Telegraph will pick elements up as 'things happening at the Club'.

You're kidding, right? We are all a bunch of tryhard wannabes. Who the heck is going to listen to a mob like us?
 

country_dragon

Juniors
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Price couldn't just build upon Bennett's systems, he had to make his own mark and gamble the club's standing in the comp.


Well the experiment has failed and so Price should go back to what our players are good at. We saw the brick wall defence in action for most of last night's game and if the rest of the formula was put back into place maybe we would have a chance to make the top 8.


I suggest Price eats humble pie and implements the following:

Re-form the left side attack/defence system. We still have all the players - except Boyd -who made up that great system. Make this attacking weaon a feature of our game once again.


Take the plunge and put Lett, Goodwin or Cummins at fullback. Enlist a personal coach for the new fullback initially working on the things Boyd did well at fullback. Especially the way he chimed into the backline feeding Cooper and Morris with attacking opportunities.


Do what is necessary within budget to recruit Jennings and put him at right centre. Offer him a base salary of 450k with an insentive deal. Get Soward, Jennings,Nightingale, the new fullback and Sott aside to work on combinations. The extra strike attack that Jennings provides will stop the opposition targeting Cooper and Morris. Jennings is a tried and true attacking centre, the perfect replacement for Gaz.


Kyle is improving every game now however, it is very plain that he is not a fulltime centre. His brother may be a good centre however, Chase has still not been fit enough to show us anything. Jennings is the man for the job for the remainder of 2012. He may move to left centre when Cooper retires.

Move Kyle to the bench in place of Fein and give him game time at halfback. Instruct him to run to the line at every oportunity. Recruit a halfback coach to provide Kyle with specialist training. Someone like Joey Johns would do the trick.


Get the pack back into the rythem of presenting the brick wall in defence. When coming out of their own half, have the the forwards go back to the safety first system for tackles 1-3 in attack and look to develop a short passing game similar to that of the Bulldogs for tackles 4-5. Protect Soward and Kyle when kicking on the last tackle. Provide a good kick chase as in the Bennett days.


Tell Soward he does not have to run to the line unless he feels there's an oportunity to make/create a line break. Instead tell him to look to provide that special pass to put his team mates through the hole. Soward is scared of being hit hard and will always be scared of this. Bennett recognised this and designed a system which gave him protection/confidence. It was because of this Soward became one of our best ground making weapons. Go back to the system of the Bennett era for Soward, it worked. The main reason Soward was trying to move away from his comfort zone was to satisfy the SOO selectors.


Generally, have the backs standing deeper in attack and train them to run at pace onto the ball. Pass the ball out in front of the receiving player. Keep flat passes to a minimum using them as a suprise rather than as the norm. In defence have our players move up quickly in a line with Soward being give a sweeper role rather than a target for the oppositions forards. Soward can tackle and will do it well in this role. He is also our best player at pouncing on the short kick. Soward reads a game well and could better make the extra defending player at the critcal point in the defencive line.


Ok Price let's go. Now you do have a plan and if you implement it, the Dragons can begin to take their rightful top four position on the ladder.

send it in to the Daily Telegraph.. see if they run with it. Post it on RLW Facebook page too - worth a stir up
 

redvforlife

Juniors
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So it seemed to me that most other teams in the comp had use worked out by the second half of last season. They worked out our one attacking combination, they worked out how to beat the defensive grind. and they worked out how to beat us - we did not win many in that last half.

To me, this means we needed to change what was going on. Price clearly saw that and started to make changes. We will not win this by continuing the same game plan and combination (not plural, we had one.) that the rest of the teams have already worked out.

I'm also going to assume Price knows a shitload more about the players and the potential than anyone on this forum. But I apologise if that's incorrect and one of you is Soward.
 

possm

Coach
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Like that time you were rambling about Carney signing for 3 years?
Cool story possm.

Year gypsy just like that time. Don't you wish now that Doust put pen to paper instead of holding out for a lessor sum than what the Sharks were offering? Who ended up better off, the Sharks or us?

Anyway, maybe Carney would have been a flop with us. Maybe Price could not handle him as well as the Sharks are doing so.

I have to say, and I have said it before, it will be the last time I make mention of that sort of news on this forum. I now understand that with things like player signings, its not a done deal until the deal is done.
 

mickeylane

Bench
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Ive been quiet the past 2 months just observing our beloved dragons and hoping for Coach Price's personality to be well and truely stamped on our teams playing style...what Ive seen though i the past 6-8 weeks is a team being dismantled of all its strengths week by week.....meaning: 1. Our Defence has leaked an average of 23 points a game from last seasons 13 - a shadow of itself 2. Our attack as limited as it was in the past few years had unbelievable structure and lethalness that teams dreaded our left side raids as predictable as they were.... Price has managed to instill zero to this years team apart from changing our style and structure to the point that we have become a fumbling, boring to watch football team with an attack thats akin to turning up with a knife to a gun fight. We look at Melbourne Storm who has built their teams on structure...they lose players, no frills neville nobodies turn up and slot straight into the system...nothing changes!! yet Price in his wisdom felt that winning 2 minor premierships and one GF in the past 3 years warranted change of playing style!! WTF dude!!!!!!!! There is no end in sight to our current misery unless he rings in some urgent positional changes (bye bye Hornby) and starts putting some simple attacking structure and hardening up our defence once again.. stop impersonating Wayne Bennett in post match interviews!! your not cool......u are an upstart that is out of his depth!! u have no f**king idea and u are dragging the proudest club in history down the girglar!! Look what new coaches do in their first years...Hasler, Mcguire, Toovey....they stick to the teams DNA basics...The Bulldogs gone back to being the entertainers, Manly havent changed under Toovey - why should they!!!, Mcguire has instilled self belief and a touch of Melbourne Storm... The solution here is for either for Price to carry out his grand plan and stop protecting players like Hornby, Soward, Hunt.....take the risk and start looking for new blood...Cummins, King, Stanley at 5/8...have the balls to make the difference and stop saying how proud u were of the players post conferences when u should b saying how "dumbfounded you are" with the teams 2012 performances and need to get back to the heights of 2009-11 where our defence and discipline dictated terms .. Better still if the heat too much get out of the kitchen and let a coach who knows what to do .... PS: I still cant believe how shit our attack is!!!!!!
 

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