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Frailty

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From the previous season and watching the games this season, I have some reoccurring incidents that probably are contributing to the loss of the "losing culture" (Good one Ando! :lol: )

Ball Handling - Obviously we are not holding on to the ball. We keep trying to push stupid passes, especially in our own 30m. We just need to play simple, basic, structured football. Once we have mastered this, then we may look for those offloads.

Play the Ball - Our play the balls have to be the slowest in the NRL. At the Cowboys game, Nth Qld had there defence and our players were not even struggling to get up, just laying on the ground waiting for the players on the ground to get up. Im not asking for jumping up and down on the spot to milk penalties, but make a genuine (Sharks players need to learn that word - GENUINE) effort to get a good, fast play the ball...Oh without dropping it!

Defence - Opposite to that of the play the ball, we just let them get up quickly (maybe a fear of being penalised, but its too fast). We dont put them on the ground and on their backs. We dont lock up the ball. We miss simple one on one tackles. There are more Turnstiles in the team then in the actual ground.

Coach - He needs to be tougher on the players, if they arent performing, drop them. We have kept players who are not playing well, and keep being put in the starting side (ahem peachey, and bailey). Im a fan of Stuart Raper but he needs to be tough. Look what pressure of positions did at Penrith!

Crowd - Now Im not goin to say that "you are not real fans" and all that other crap. But we need to be more supportive to the team. That cowboys game where we had people leaving half way through the second, i was enraged. The players are already down enough, but to have supporters walk out on them is pathetic. No wonder players arent feeling spirit. IF we continue leaving the games because they are losing, we are exactly like souths fans.... dont turn up to games, bag the team, and say the team doesnt have the club spirit, but the supporters do..... Its rubbish. At the cowboys game, a supporter a couple rows infront of me was abusing the team asking "why the f*ck aren't you trying?". Not only is this not good language for the kids in the row infront of me, it does nothing for the team. I understand how angry he is, but stuff like that won't help.


If these things dont happen the highlights at the home games of 9000 supporters would be seeing the opposition supporters get wet from a fire hose. I dont like hearing this "flat attack doesnt work". How can it work when we dont hold on to the ball...


(to the team if u ever read this)
Keep your heads up guys, no matter how much u lose by, or where you finish, i will always be proud to call myself a Sharks supporter.

Cheers....
 

Generalzod

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Frailty wrote:

Coach - He needs to be tougher on the players, if they arent performing, drop them. We have kept players who are not playing well, and keep being put in the starting side (ahem peachey, and bailey). Im a fan of Stuart Raper but he needs to be tough. Look what pressure of positions did at Penrith!


Yeah but look what kind of personal lang had to work with. Unfortunately were are not Penrith.
 

Frailty

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I agree with you Generalzod, but I think we have players capable of playing fairly well in first grade. Definately not the best, but if the "first graders" see that we will play these guys if we have to, they would wanna keep their first grade spots.... leading to better performances. In return, if the younger guys wanted to get back into first grade, they have to play better.

Better + Better = Twice as Better
 

RICHO

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That cowboys game where we had people leaving half way through the second, i was enraged. The players are already down enough, but to have supporters walk out on them is pathetic. No wonder players arent feeling spirit.

Mate, the 9000 or so that turned up are true Sharks supporters. In the middle of a long weekend, against an out of town and poorly supported team, a week after being thumped by Souths, 9000 bothered to turn up. Where was the other 6000 from the Manly game?

So to have a go at people for walking out before fulltime, when their team is down by 20 and looking absolute certainties to concede more easy points, is a bit unfair. Those 9000 have spirit. The boys who put their heads down and put up next to no fight in that game last night are the ones lacking spirit.

I for one am not going to sit there and watch that garbage. I was out of there as Matt Bowen crossed the line. I could simply not handle my Sharks going down in such a manner. That doesn't mean I'm not a true Sharks supporter. I yelled my guts out for 65 minutes, and got little result for it. I couldn't take te frustration for one minute longer.



a supporter a couple rows infront of me was abusing the team asking "why the f*ck aren't you trying?". Not only is this not good language for the kids in the row infront of me, it does nothing for the team. I understand how angry he is, but stuff like that won't help.
It crossed my mind. Why the f**k weren't they trying?? The 2nd half was a disgrace, and no one seemed to care. At least, no one did anything to change things. The supporter in front of you was probably behind the boys up until that point, when like myself, they got to the stage when they'd had a gutfull.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Well I guess 300 tackles would do that to you.
Average tackle count was 19.
Too high for any attacking possibilities.
 

Frailty

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That doesn't mean I'm not a true Sharks supporter.


I wasnt trying to say that as I stated.

Mate, the 9000 or so that turned up are true Sharks supporters. In the middle of a long weekend, against an out of town and poorly supported team, a week after being thumped by Souths, 9000 bothered to turn up. Where was the other 6000 from the Manly game?

Totally agree with you there.... At least those 9000 did show up! I must state im not saying people arent real supporters, i just think it will help the team if the crowd stayed.

It crossed my mind. Why the f**k weren't they trying?? The 2nd half was a disgrace, and no one seemed to care

I highly doubt they werent trying at all, but yes they definately werent playing their best...Far from it. Nad the scoreline says the second half we played better... Not much but at least they didnt score 14 points in the first 10 minutes.


This is not trying to attack anyone, all I was trying to say is that everyone needs to work hard. EVERYONE in the club. The supporters help make the club. I dont want to see us turn into the late modern south sydney.
 

Generalzod

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We play the Raiders next week, another out of town team. I wonder how many supporters will turn up?????
 

RICHO

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Probably not many, given we were SH!T last night, and it's a 5:30 kick off.


I know what you are saying "Frailty", but in the end it stops with the players. No club keeps crowd averages high when they lose, especially by 20+ against the Cows and Bunnies. Supporters of all clubs, and all sports are fickle. You win, you get massive support. You lose, and no one wants to know you. I mean, it doesn't mean that you stop supporting them, but you think twice about spending $50 or more to go and watch a team play pathetic football. Especially when you can sit at home or at the pub and watch.
 

Frailty

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Yeh well thats why one point of the argument was aimed at the crowed.... If u look close enough guys I did mention things of coaches and players....

The thing is i think we can do our part for the side as well
 

Generalzod

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RICHO said:
Probably not many, given we were SH!T last night, and it's a 5:30 kick off.


I know what you are saying "Frailty", but in the end it stops with the players. No club keeps crowd averages high when they lose, especially by 20+ against the Cows and Bunnies. Supporters of all clubs, and all sports are fickle. You win, you get massive support. You lose, and no one wants to know you. I mean, it doesn't mean that you stop supporting them, but you think twice about spending $50 or more to go and watch a team play pathetic football. Especially when you can sit at home or at the pub and watch.

Your so right Richo, Rugby League is no longer a Sport its entertainment and because its classified entertainment it has to compete with other entertainment organizations. If your team ain't performing on the field chances are people won't be turning up.
It's simple mathematics...........
 

RICHO

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I'm not disputing that the crowd/supporters can help the Sharks to start winning, but the players have to put in a bit of a better display than they have been!

Everyone at Cronulla CAN improve.
To be competitive, everyone HAS to improve.
 

blacktip-reefy

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problems to solve?
HHmm. I think the biggest problem is going to be which one of these 5th rnd doomsdayers threads I pull out first when this very talented outfit starts stringin a few together.
I just hope the forum archives well coz jeez I'm gonna be busy.
 

Frailty

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Ahhh reefy..... I dont think this is supposed to be presented as a doomsdayer, im trying to do something constructive... well as much as u can on forums
 

SirShire

First Grade
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Gotta agree with ya Reef. I didn't think we would go this bad, but by the same token, I wasnt expecting anything earth shattering. Still a long road ahead, but we have to pull the finger out now.
 

chili pepper

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Reefy I admire your optimism but I can't see where all this talent is suppossed to be. I hope your right but my hope for this side is fading very rapidly.

I didn't expect a dramatic improvement so early in the season Salmon but I didn't think we'd get worse. At least last year we were managing to beat teams such as the Cowboys and Souths comfortably. Granted these sides have improved but we should be putting them away easily.
 

DJDL

First Grade
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We've pretty much got out starting pack out.
That's gotta hurt any club. Then when you have a coach trying to decide who's the best of the rest it's going to take some time to find the right combos.

I don't think it's all over yet. But it ain't far from it.
With players coming back I'm confident they can turn it around
 

Macca

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Sully not good enough at hooker? We seem to be looking to solve those areas for next year. If we get Tavita Latu and Matt Rogers that takes care of 2 of those spots. Perhaps David Simmons or Jason Kent can make the number 4 there own. It doesn't look like being McGoldrick or Franze at the moment. Maybe they could even try Rat there next year. I still think Bird will be in the side somewhere.
 

Mr Angry

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I like Sully, but essentially he is a halfback playing hooker. He good enough to be on the field and that is the spot we have used as halfback is taken and we do not seem to have a quality first grade hooker.

Vagana is my 1st 5/8 however, the team needs him a right centre, with Reick or Simmons outside, raw pace.
Sully could solve the 5/8 problem. IMO - a similar combo to Gower and Campbell.
Sully could easily play a similar role to Preston, roam around in attack as both a runner and ball distributor, and kick when BK gets tackled on the 5th.

I am starting to warm to Hilder as hooker.
 

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