i feel the difference is between the playing standards when they are young and coming into 1st grade if u look at there young blokes we would have them starting in 1sts straight away TUPOU ROBINSON WEBB PAEA but at the roosters they r doing like an apprentiship with them they get blooded for a whole season or 2 then they start at the tigers most of the time we have to throw them straight in and tell them do there best not sheens fault thats the position we are in then while the stars are doing the job and winning games the juniors are learning how to win games and play proffesional football something we r not doing so how can guys like gibbs halatau duffy marshall harrison learn how to win a big pressure match or hold the ball and play % football like laurie daley said when the older bloke arent showing them the older blokes are showing them how to play with heart but thats about it! so i dont have the answer but what else can we do but support sheensy ! one big difference is at the roosters if u get in the way of finch or fittler on the 5th tackle that is a sin but at the tigers its a stuffup??