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Pronunciation and badic respect

SpaceMonkey

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With a massive percentage of our players now being of Polynesian or Melanesian extraction, why is it that our commentators for the most part are still completely unable to pronounce their names correctly or even consistently? It's not exactly difficult, and the continued mangling of pronunciation by the worst offenders (I'm looking at you Rabs) is at best unprofessional and at worst downright insulting. Surely it wouldn't be too much effort for the NArL to arrange a few workshops for the callers to teach them the basic principles of those languages, it would only take an hour or two. A sit stands it's pretty pathetic.
 

SpaceMonkey

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Doh, and yes, I made a typo in the thread title, fat fingers on a touchscreen. Mods, feel free to correct it.
 

El Diablo

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IIRC Nigel Vagana does tell them and some players prefer different ways of pronouncing their names than what is correct
 

BuffaloRules

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It's a valid point, and I hope that commentators are being informed of the correct pronunciations.

Let's be honest though.... Rabs is past it in more ways than just this area..
 

Danish

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most of the Foxsports boys I think try to pronounce properly, or at the least they give it a go and correct themselves if they find out they are wrong.

Rabs on the other hand seems to go out of his way to be insulting and racist. "Why are so many named Manu?" was a doozy from the weekend, along with lamenting how all the Cronulla backline look the same (since they are all islanders of course...)
 

Apey

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Rabs has enough trouble working out who the teams are let alone name pronunciation.
 

juro

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Different people pronounce names differently. eg my cousins are Coulters, and they pronounce it "Colt-er". But that is different to how Ricki Lee Coulter pronounces it.

It is up to the individual to determine how their name should be pronounced. And if the broadcasters were professional, they would get this information from all the players and call them how the players prefer. It's really not that hard!
 
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most of the Foxsports boys I think try to pronounce properly, or at the least they give it a go and correct themselves if they find out they are wrong.

Rabs on the other hand seems to go out of his way to be insulting and racist. "Why are so many named Manu?" was a doozy from the weekend, along with lamenting how all the Cronulla backline look the same (since they are all islanders of course...)

He's been doing it for years. Amazing he doesn't get called on it outside of fan forums and social media. Absolute dinosaur
 

tumbidragon

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My favourite is Rabs asking the other commentators. "What's his Christian name you think?" In other words 'these darkies and their funny heathen names'..
He's a racist f**kwit of the highest order.
 
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My favourite is Rabs asking the other commentators. "What's his Christian name you think?" In other words 'these darkies and their funny heathen names'..
He's a racist f**kwit of the highest order.

What gets me is, if he's saying this type of shit on air thinking its appropriate, he must be an absolute lunatic behind closed doors
 

SpaceMonkey

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IIRC Nigel Vagana does tell them and some players prefer different ways of pronouncing their names than what is correct

Yeah of course, same with European names. But don't think that explains the constant mangling of names. Sometimes Rabs sounds like he's having to consult a team sheet for the players name as if he's never heard of them before and he's trying to say their name for the first time, he obviously hasn't been told the players preference and he has zero clue of the fundamental rules of Polynesian pronunciation either. The latter are actually pretty straightforward once you learn them. Much simpler than English in fact.
 

firechild

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Rabs is just a useless f**kwit that has no place anywhere near a microphone. He's racist, argumentative and clueless. Pronunciation of names is far from the most pressing reason to get this dinosaur away from the game.
 

magpie4ever

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Some of ewes need to get a life.

If Rabs doesn't know their names he should call it: Boy 1 passess it to boyo 2 etc.

That's is fine by me.
 

T.S Quint

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It's not just the Islander blokes who get their names screwed up.
If I have to hear someone say "Hodgkinson" again I'll f**king lose it.
How hard is it to look at a bloke's name and see that there is no f**king 'G' in it!
 

BuffaloRules

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The Roar has posted an article that addresses this topic in part.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/04/17/voice-rugby-league-off-pace/

It was somewhat ironic that on the day Australia collectively mourned the loss of the voice of summer, the voice of two states’ winters showed telltale signs that age was also catching up with him.
Not as iconic as the great, irreplaceable Richie Benaud, nor as universally adored, Ray Warren’s dulcet tones have nonetheless soundtracked many of rugby league’s greatest moments.

And by greatest moments, I of course refer primarily to the moment where most of Queensland had a hand in a try which seemed to work its way down from Cooktown, across the Tropic of Capricorn and Tweed River, veer west to Broken Hill then land itself in the north-east corner of the Sydney Football Stadium.

Champagne rugby league, with a top-shelf whisky chaser provided by the man on the mic and his two irrepressible sidekicks.
Things were well and truly bubbling in the Lang Park cauldron last Friday as well, and that’s before we talk about the foam gushing out of the gobs of rival props Sam Thaiday and Jared Waerea-Hargreaves as they impersonated two bison in a David Attenborough doco.
The Broncos and Roosters went end-to-end for 80-and-a-bit minutes. Blokes were shanking field goals like the Steeden was made of flubber. Lachlan Maranta thought he was LeBron James. Ben Hunt eventually remembered that tries are permissible in extra time. Rugby league was the winner.

It was frenetic stuff, and the man known as Rabs struggled to keep up.
On at least three occasions he called last tackle when there was still one to go in the set, then carried on calling as if nothing was amiss while the elephant casually strolled around several-hundred thousand lounge rooms.
By the end of play, his voice was nearly shot. On his regular Saturday morning slot on Triple M Radio, he was neck deep in throat lozenges to help get through the allotted three hours.
These things are understandable. Being a play-by-play caller is no doubt a high-intensity gig. After the classic first Origin game of 2014, even Rabs himself admitted he didn’t know how many of those he had left in him.

What isn’t understandable is what now seems a running joke between some members of the Nine commentary team – the mispronunciation of player names of Polynesian or Melanesian descent.
This week it was boom Roosters rookie Sio Siua Taukeiaho’s turn to have his name minced up on national television.
In previous weeks, Tigers young gun Ava Seumanufagai has had the comic “SEE-YOU-MA-NOO-FUN-GUY” treatment.
On this and other occasions, grown men with microphones tittered like they’d just laid a zinger on the new kid at kindergarten, and acted like they didn’t know any better.
Full disclosure: I cannot pronounce either of those names, nor Warriors rookies who are currently tearing it up in my fantasy football squad. But it is part of my job description to ensure both of the above, plus Solomone Kata and Tuimoala Lolohea, are correctly spelt before The Roar’s subs ensure this piece is otherwise readable.
The NRL trumpeted the fact that in 2012 the official media guide distributed to all full-time broadcasters and scribes would come with ‘islander’ names spelt phonetically. The guide that year went a step further, with Danny Weidler pointing out that whoever from the Warriors thought Lewis Brown needed to be broken down into syllables was clearly ‘avin a laugh.

This year, one made it as far as ABC Grandstand’s Perth studio… so we can assume the home of rugby league’s post office box would’ve been overflowing with the things well before season kickoff.

Which makes the continual mangling of admittedly tricky names, then making the mangling a discussion point – ‘deliberate idiocy’, as fellow Roarer Geoff Lemon referred to it in that takedown piece of Nine’s cricket commentary team in February. It is not only unforgiveable, but disrespectful to young men who have dedicated their lives up to this point to the goal of performing on the Friday Night Football stage.
You’ve got one job, Rabs, and you can be bloody good at it. Please do it properly or hang up the microphone.
Everyone has to eventually. Just ask John Farnham.
 

rabbitohs95

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One big thing that pisses me off that people can't seem to figure out how to pronounce some name of players, especially commentators. However there are some crazy ones out there and I recently purchased the Official NRL Season Guide which provides pronunciation. Not sure how accurate they are but surely there's some validity. Just thought i'd throw a few out there for those who gave a sh*t. Some might surprise you.


Michael Lichaa: Lie-sha
Sam Tagataese: Tung-guh-tah-es-sey
Jake Mamo: May-mo
Manu Ma'u: Mah-oo
Chris Grevsmuhl is pronounced Grev-mull...
Siosiua Taukeiaho (Roosters bench forward): See-wah Toka-owa
Konrad Hurrell: Hurr-ill (Specifically noted that it's not Hurr-elle)
Kevin Naiqama: Na-gar-ma
Ava Seumanufagai: See-you-man-oo-fan-eye


The one that pisses me off the most which isn't hard at all... (Take note Rabs)

Semi Radradra (Parramatta winger): Ra-dra-dra
 
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