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Proposed international schedule

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I've posted a few different models for international football over the past 12 months. They have varied significantly and this is the latest version. If you spot an idea that I have stolen off you, take it as a compliment - I'll give recognition when I can remember whose idea it was. This schedule is the result of my own evolving ideas over the past 12 months as well suggestions that I have read from other posters.

A few things that need to be explained before I get started :

<ul> [*]This schedule is written from an NRL perspective, but I don't believe that this is a major issue as it would be very easy for the Super League season to be run in accordance with the suggestions that I will put forward. [*]The NRL regular season would be reduced from the current 26 rounds down to the more realistic number of 20. The Super League season would be reduced to 22 rounds. Both competitions would have four weeks of finals, culminating ingrand finals being held on the first weekend in October. This would be done in Australia to accommodate the inevitable night grand final, and would only require the Super League grand final to be brought forward one week. I believe this to be a fair compromise. It also makes more sense to have the seasons finish at the same time. [*]A World Club Championship would be held two weeks following the respective grand finals. The current situation of having it as a preseason match is ridiculous as both teams will probably have a significantly different line-ups to the ones that they had to win their respective competitions, and both teams will be out of form The match would be alternated between the home ground of the NRL and SL champions on a yearly basis. I believe that the timing of the match would allow each team to have the mandatory celebration period of 3 or 4 days before getting into preparations for the WCC. The home team would not be allowed to begin training until the visiting team arrived, which would ideally be on the Friday or Saturday before the match, ensuring that both teams had an equal preparation. [*]State of origin matches would be played on Sunday nights with the NRL suspended for each match. There would be two rounds of NRL between each origin match. [*]On the Friday nights of the origin weeks, a tri-series between NSW city, NSW country, and Qld A would be played at regional venues (eg country NSW, Newcastle, Gosford, Gold Coast, Cairns, Townsville). [*]Immediately following the third origin match there would be a four week break in both the NRL and Super League seasons for Southern Hemisphere test football (in effect, combined with origin 3, this would be a five-week break for the NRL). In years one and three, the Super League season would also have a five-week break to enable the Lions' to play at least four matches as part of tours, with the necessary preparation. [*]Every second year, during the mid-season break for test football, their would be a Quad-series played between Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain and a combined Pacific side, as opposed to the Tri-series the RFL proposed. (I believe that Albert Rosenfield came up with a very similar idea on the WORL boards). This would ensure that each team would have a match on each weekend, and there would be two matches every weekend. The first week of the four-week break would be use as a training camp with practice matches being played (eg against Qld, NSW, NZ residents). This would also ensure that the Great Britain team, and the SL-based players for NZ and the Pacific, have time to arrive in the Southern Hemisphere and have a proper preparation for the Quad-series. [*]During the four-week break, a four week knockout tournament could be played between the (ideally, sixteen) NRL sides. The matches could be played in both regional and city areas. The grand final could be turned into an annual event, always played at the same venue (eg Newcastle) as a way of building it into an "event". It should be noted that I ripped this idea off legend, who suggested it in a thread a while back. [*]Following the WCC, another period of test football would be commence, primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. There would, however, be some matches played in the Southern Hemisphere, but none of the big "event" matches.[/list] Now that I've gotten all that out of the way, it's time for the schedule. The first part that I'll present is from the beginning of the club seasons through to the WCC. * 8 rounds of NRL * State of Origin 1 * 2 rounds of NRL * State of Origin 2 * 2 rounds of NRL * State of Origin 3 * 4 week break for test football * 8 rounds of NRL * NRL and Super League finals * week off * World Club Championship The following will detail what will occur during the four week mid-season breaks. Year 1 Week 1 Australia v France New Zealand v Great Britain Week 2 NZ v Australia 1 PNG v Great Britain 1 Week 3 Australia v NZ 2 PNG v Great Britain 2 Week 4 NZ v Australia 3 PNG v Great Britain 3 Note : France would play matches against various Pacific nations during this period, in addition to the test against Australia. Year 2 Week 1 Warmup matches Week 2 - Week 4 Quad-series Year 3 Week 1 New Zealand v Australia Great Britain v PNG Week 2 Australia v Great Britain 1 Week 3 Australia v Great Britain 2 New Zealand v France 1 Week4 Australia v Great Britain 3 New Zealand v France 2 Note : A Pacific cup involving PNG, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji and the Cook Islands would be played over a four or five week period. As each team in the competition would have one bye, they could use that time to play tests against France (as PNG would do when they played against Great Britain). Year 4 Week 1 Warmup matches. There would, however,be the possibility of NZ and GB playing an extra match to form a two match series, with game two being part of the Quad-series. Week 2 - Week 4 Quad-series Following the WCC, the second test match period would go as follows. Year 1 Australia - test v PNG, then Kangaroo tour (no tests verus France). Great Britain - 2 tests v France, Ashes v Australia. New Zealand - 3 match test series v PNG Year 2 Australia - test v PNG, possibly a test against a developing nation (a Pacific nation or South Africa), 2 tests v France, 1 match against a Super League International Barbarians side (this was somebody else's idea) Great Britain -2 tests v PNG,3 tests v New Zealand New Zealand - Kiwi tour of Great Britain (no tests v France) PNG - 1 test v Australia, 2 tests v Great Britain, 2 tests v France Year 3 Australia - 3 test series v PNG Great Britain - 2 tests v France, possibly a test against a developing nation like South Africa, 1 test v New Zealand New Zealand - 1 or 2 tests against developing nations, two tests versus France, 1 match v SL barbarians, 1 test v Great Britain France - 2 tests v Great Britain, 2 tests v New Zealand, 1 or 2 tests against touring developing nation (the same team who played GB) Year 4 World Cup I've mainly detailed the tests for Australia, New Zealand and Great Britain. Obviously the smaller nations need a more detailed schedule, but that can easily be done to fit around what I've done. I have also made sure that Australia, Great Britain and New Zealand all play each other at least once every year. All comments, both positive and negative are welcome.
 

Eagleneil

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Congratulations on what must have been some serious thinking and writing. Just a few points:
I don't think that GB v Aus every year would be such a good idea. It would be OK every other year but not every year, this break could allow any Decent Marketing people to get to work. Heres hoping that eventually they hire some!
I don't think that the World club championship needs expanding, just yet, as some English clubs still suffer from an inferiority complex from the 97 fiasco. The games should be competitive, and a repeat would set everything back.
Finally, how long did it take you to think up and put this down?Do you need to get out more? (joke)!
Eagleneil
 
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bender

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Reduction of Rounds from 26 to 22
Very good idea. 26 is too many. People get too caught up in thinking more is better. A 20 game season is far better. Someone will bring up the play everyone twice argument. That is why we have playoffs.I'd keep the ESL the same as both seasons should mirror each other as much as possible.

WCC
Could not agree more. This needs to become the pinnacle of the game with the premiership almost being only half the job. In the next few years, if it does not draw then it should (in Australia) be played at regional venues where it would guarantee a capacity crowd.

SOO
I would not mind the SOO on a Monday night, in all honesty talking about the game all day at work was always a good thing. The week off is fine, but there needs to be football over that weekend. The origin weekend should feature rep games between PNG &amp; Fiji, Samoa v Tonga, NZ North v South, As well as rep matches in England, Like County of Origin, Wales v France, Ireland v Scotland, Italy v Lebanon, Russia v USA, South Africa v Morocco. The aim being to give television exposure to gamesbetween lesser nations. I am sure international League would be as popular as international union in Australia if games were played and televised. Plus the staging of these matches would help build traditional rivalries.

City v Country
I would leave out the City Country, replace it with Queensland Res v NSW Res but play the game as a curtain raiser to SOO. Try to get it televised on Foxtel, or if not, I know this game would rate well on a channel such as channel 10 prior to Origin. Think how many people are just waiting for the SOO to start and would watch the game. If Channel 9 wont do it, i am sure other stations would fall over themselves to televise the game. I'd possibly also try to get a Vic vs Wa origin game going.

Quad Series
Excellent idea and one i have always agreed with. I am undecided if the fourth team should be Pacific Islands or a rest of World side, allowing the occassional French or USA or SA player to make the side. I think I'd stick with the Pacific Islands. Id also complement it with a quad series in say, the four winners of the 3 test series' played alongside SOO. And another one with the four losers.

Knockout Tournament
Interesting idea, If there were only 15 teams the 16th team should be Australian Residents. I am not 100% sold on the idea because it would take focus away from the Quad Series matches. I think I would prefer this as a preseason Challenge cup style tournament, Actually what i would really prefer would be a midweek Panasonic Cup style comp played in regional centres and also featuring non NRL sides like Qld Residents, NZ residents, PNG residents etc, with the winner gaining a midweek playoff against the lowest qualifying semi final side. This would give non-nrl players the chance to inspire for the impossible. Imagine the support for PNG if they strung together an upset or two. It would also give low placed sides like souths or Manly the realistic chance of sneaking into the qualifying playoffs. This creates the each team can win competition which is craved, plus because each game is a semifinal in a sense, it should attract very big crowds.

End of Season Tests
I have always thought the World Cup should be every 2 or 3 years, although the obvious need to retain 4 year event status I can see. I would compromise by making an invitational shield in the second year. The world Cup stays as is. but in the intervening years, The following sides compete for the shield - Britain, Qld, NSW, NZ, Pacific Islands, Europe, Super League Australia, Rest of the World Side (including Non Qld, NSW born Australians). The first and 3rd year of the cycle could be made up of Tours.

Other points
Finals
Could we please return to the top 5. The effect of changing this has been greatly underestimated.

Pre Season
A World 9s or 7s would be a pretty good idea.




 
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Thanks for the comments.

Eagleneil, I wasn't suggesting a expanded WCC. All I'd want is a playoff between the NRL and ESL champions. I don't think any other team deserves to be called world champion if they didn't win their premiership. And, by the way, I've been coming up with different versions of this plan for about a year now, so it's a work in progress.

I've also got a different schedule for test football which works around the same basic structure. It is based more around 3 match test series and gives the comined Pacific more matches. It has a five nations tournament at the end of year two, which is similar, in a way, to what bender was suggesting. Here it is :

Year 1

Midseason - New Zealnd v Great Britain in a 3 match series in New Zealand
Australia v Pacific in a 3 match series in Australia

End of Season - Kangaroo to tour to Great Britain
New Zealnd v PNG in 3 match series, and tour to France for 2 matches

Year 2

Midseason - Australia v New Zealand in a 3 match series (2 matches in Aus, 1 in NZ)
Pacific v Great Britain in a 3 match series with matches in PNG, Fiji and Samoa

End of Season - 5 nations tournament with Australia, NZ, GB, Pacific, and France

Year 3

Midseason - Australia v Great Britain in 3 match series in Australia
New Zealand v Pacific in a 3 match series in New Zealand

End of Season - Kiwi tour to Great Britain
Australia v PNG in a 3 match series, and tour to France for a 2 match series

Year 4

Midseason - NZ v Australia in a 3 match series (2 matches in NZ, 1 in Aus)
European Cup between the home nations, France, and possibly Russia
Pacific Cup between PNG, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, and the Cook Islands

End of Season - World Cup


Once again, I've focussed on Australia, NZ, GB and the Pacific, but other test matches could be scheduled around these. I have included no tests for GB and the Pacific in year four as it is a world cup year and they would be competing as seperate nations, and the European Cup and Pacific cup would enable them to have some matches together before the world cup.
 

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