Quincy Carter - g o n e

[Cupid Stunt]

lol whats that saying...oh thats right D wins Championships, they didnt win the championship but there defense were the ones who got them great field posession and saw them make the playoffs...carter continually messes up and thats shown by his 21 ints, on avg he gets just over 1 td a game..yup he is a hell of a qb ;-)

Again you go back to the D. I implore you to read what the thread is about.

chad wont be a montana but he will be a consistant qb in the future, he can do everything quincy can without having the brain explosions...as far as back ups are concerned quincy is great but in my mind he will never be a decent starter.

In your mind he wont, in mine he COULD be. I thought we'd finally hit the same page here... :roll:

i know you wont admitt that quincy isnt as good as chad but heck ill try and make it so obvious that he is, that even if there is a shroud of doubt in the eyes of the rest of the people here it will be squashed.

No I wont because neither have proved they are a class above the other, it's purely a personal preferance/opinion POV. So you can kick, scream, throw yourself on the floor & assume you have proved whatever you want to the "rest of the people here", but two points render that useless. 1) You've confused me for someone who gives a shit & 2) Meh, one point is good enough.

chad started 9 games, in 9 games he threw for 13 tds and 12 ints..yep he had thrown 1td and 6 ints in his last 4 games, so up until then he had 12 tds and 6ints...its not great but for a qb on a losing team he played well considering he had been out for a while. quincy played ok but he made far more errors and had it not been for the defense the team wouldnt have even made the playoffs.

There's that D being dragged into it again. Take note of the first point. Picking & choosing which part of the stats you want to use means squat. I'm sure if I drag up Carters stats & pick a couple of games out of it I can make it seem like he is a stud.

quincy's last decent game was against the lions in where he threw 3 tds 190 yrds for a qb rating of 133.3..thats very good except for the fact it happend in october roughly week 6, other then that he failed to even regesiter some decent numbers, yes he got them the wins but against big teams he was non existant.

Whether they were against big teams or not, a wins a win. I'd rather win ugly every week then lose but do it without smudging my make-up. You cant blame the bloke for the opposition, he can only play whats in front of him. But then again, you reckon he only got where he did because of his D, where were they in the games against the "big teams"?

an avg qb is still around 100x better then quincy lol.

"As long as you are confident you know all there is to know, you will not seek the truth, and you will remain happily in error."

*yawn* Big weekend, going to bed to watch Rush Hour. I dare you not to try for the last word... :lol:

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[canberra_raiders2k2]

lol i cant help but having to reply....its just my style..probably the reason why my coach got annoyed..i would never shut up.

Umm if you can find some stats to prove that carter is a better qb then pennington then go ahead, no point of telling me that you can prove his better yet decide not to. just make the kill if ya can ;-)

ok how about this, potential..to sum it up is how capable for growth. Carter in his entire career has shown little to no growth at all, if you can show me how much he has improved then ill agree that what we have seen isnt all that we should expect.

Penington is on a similar platform although he has shown more in his career and when not injured and given the right preperation he can be a good QB...WE HAVE SEEN THIS as for carter...we see this in small doses but you really cant say cause he has the odd decent game that he is capable of being a decent qb...this is just wishful thinking..even the worst players occasionly play ok...aka bulgaralli for the raiders.

Ive shown you quincys stats yet you try and avoid that and always mention the part about the defense, so ur not budging about the defense having any involvment on the outcome of the offense..but at least mention how in his entire career he has never ever had more tds then ints in a season.

chad although had a dissapointing season still has more to offer mainly cause we have seen him do more..sure enough last year he was nothing like he was when he took the jets to the playoffs but at least we have seen something out of chad that carter can only wish for.

Im well aware of carters past, was once a hiesman trophy canidate..left college a year early...now before you use that against me, take alook at some of the previous winners and see where there at..

2001 eric crouch..retired after no one wanted him as a qb.

2000- chris weinke, lol this that 28 yr old who is rotting away on the bench for the panthers...oh yeah lets not forget that when he started the panthers looked very pathetic.

1999- ron dayne..rb who had his best season back with the whole "lightning thunder" combo with the giants when they eventually lost to the ravens...back then he had around 3.4 yards a carry...since then he has become a nothing player, although he is starting to run with more power in the pre season.

that doesnt mean too much but i needed it incase you tried to say that he had shown he can be a canidate for the hiesmen trophy...and thus having potential.

Carter would be good had he stayed in college instead of packing up and leaving for the pro's..he came in tooo early espcially after a poor last season in college.. .

Carter has shown nothing..simple as that, why do you think the cowboys went on a QB hunt and made sure they bought the rights to Drew Henson? Carter was never the answer when bill parcels was there you knew he was gone but chad hutchinson wasnt exactly the ideal replacement either..

Parcells did say carter is good and all that junk but do you actually think he will come out and say "carter...oh my god, how'd this bum make the pro's"

 

[Paullyboy]

Well hasnt this become an interesting debate. Good to see a bit of life in this forum.

For the record Ive got to say that I personally dont rate a player untill I have seen him produce in front of my own eyes as stats can tell any story you like. I havent seen much of Carter at all and therefore refues to believe any hype about him until that moment - on the other hand I have seen pennington play a brilliant Quarterbacks role and so Id be massively favouring him in this debate.

 

[Anonymous]

I've always thought Carter was an average QB....Just never really jumped out the way a McNabb or Vick or Gannon ( ) does.

I'd call him solid, but by no means spectacular.

 

[Cupid Stunt]

I think I have you mixed up with someone else. I thought you were the Trojans QB from around 01/02, but that guy wasnt this easily confused.
Typing paddocks worth of dribble doesnt prove your opinion any more than if you were to stay on topic & debate it for what it is.

But to pick a few things that make the least amount of sense:

Umm if you can find some stats to prove that carter is a better qb then pennington then go ahead, no point of telling me that you can prove his better yet decide not to. just make the kill if ya can

Read what I wrote. Then read it again. Then ask someone to explain it to you. :roll:

Ive shown you quincys stats yet you try and avoid that and always mention the part about the defense, so ur not budging about the defense having any involvment on the outcome of the offense..but at least mention how in his entire career he has never ever had more tds then ints in a season.

Why would I budge? I mention the part about D because you hinge your point on it. I can only say this is in no way about D so many times or in so many ways. No matter where a QB throws from on the field, he either picks the right reciever & hits him or he doesnt. Same rules apply no matter how far to a TD. If you cant work it out then, again, find someone to explain it to you. I've never claimed his stats are great to look at. Nor have I seen a SB won on stats. But like you seem to want to dismiss, Carter has never had an above average, or even average for that matter, receiving corp. I realize a QB effectivness revolves around his D in your mind but surely the WR play a small part wouldnt you say??

Im well aware of carters past, was once a hiesman trophy canidate.. etc etc

This probably sums up your whole way of arguing, that being everything is half empty. Not for nothing but I had no intentions of bringing up his college days as it's two different types of game. If you were a Jr player then I'm sure you would know what I mean if you compare it to your first Snr season, working on the premise you did have the testicular fortitude to go play with the big boys. Of course there are players who after being gun college players have died in the arse when hitting the big show. But what about winners through the years like OJ Simpson, Barry Sanders, Marcus Allen, Eddie George, Charles Woodson? More than held their own wouldnt you say? And just on Chris Weinke, he's 32 not 28. Maybe a little knowledge instead of just copy & paste next time... :roll:

Just to repeat myself yet again, this is a personal preference thing. I havent once said that Penny is crap, just for mine Carter now has the opportunity to become a shiteload better QB then he has been up to now.

 

[Cupid Stunt]

Just because it's semi on track...

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYJ/7636843