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Ray Chesterton - Finger on the Pulse.

spacemanspiff

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With everythin happening in the game of Rugby league at the moment, Ray zeroes in on what must count as the biggest non-issue of the year.
Sports journalism in this country - particularly in Rugby League - has gone straight to hell. Why on earth do I have to choke down this rubbish, and then follow up for desert with the wafer-thin offerings of Andrew Johns insights into the game?

Rules broken with intent
By Ray Chesterton
July 31, 2006

THIS weekend, I saw something in a rugby league match that I thought, and prayed, I would never witness outside of France - where any concept of rule-keeping has been long drowned in red wine, casual indifference and, in international matches, patriotism.

On Friday night, I saw a referee award a try to Sharks back rower Lance Thompson that could not have been a more graphic breach of the rules if it was highlighted by a neon sign.
It was awarded despite a Sharks play-the-ball - to begin the sequence of moves that led to the try - deserving a penalty; at no stage did the player's foot make contact with the ball.
But play rolled on without intervention from referee Shayne Hayne or his touch judges.
But Hayne thought he saw something else in the sequence, and referred it to the video referee.
And this is where it becomes absolutely unbelievable - and a reflection on the abysmal refereeing standards that are emerging more and more.
Video referee Graeme West put the flawed play-the-ball on replay, must have seen it was a breach - but allowed the try.
Perhaps the referee saw it and ignored it. Maybe the touch judges did as well. But a video referee watching a replay in slow motion: How could he miss it?
Pass me the smelling salts mother. I think I'm going into a coma from exasperation.

Have refereeing standards really dropped so low?

We already concede that scrums have absolutely no bearing on deciding possession. The feeding halfback does that. Line dropouts are taken a minimum of a half-metre past the tryline and into the field of play.

Forward passes happen so often we might as well be playing gridiron.

And now we're ignoring play-the-ball breaches.

If you feel your eyes glazing over because this is about refereeing, try to stay with me.

This is not about refereeing. It is about the non-refereeing almost anything-goes attitude that permeates the game.

I hear a former referee, whose reluctance to enforce rules naturally led to low penalty counts, has actually told people that actual contact is immaterial, provided there is intent to make contact with the ball in a play-the-ball.

I haven't checked that with him. I'm frightened to, in case it's true.

Because that would mean Friday night's decision was legitimate and we're all doomed.
 

Thomo.

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there are heaps of teams that do that.

i picked up one by newy in the game friday. it went unnoticed. i see it in the bulldogs' games, everyone gets awaya with it

that rule is getting missed alot. i have seen it pulled up about twice. mind i haven't seen every game


i'm interested to see if Ray chestnut if he's got something against the sharks. i shall be keeping a keen interest in his articles now


thanks for the rant ray chestnut!
 

dannyboy

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Anyhow, the video ref was asked to look at two things and two things only.
ONE - For a knock on at dummy half
TWO - Grounding of the ball.

Regardless of whether he saw/cared about the breach in the play the ball - it was NOT part of his scope to pass judgement.

Chesterton obviously must've missed the rest of the weekends matches picking on the first cab off the rank for something that goes on in every game, every week.
 

Thomo.

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dannyboy said:
Chesterton obviously must've missed the rest of the weekends matches picking on the first cab off the rank for something that goes on in every game, every week.


good point
 

fatshark

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What a f**king knob head. The whole article is wrong.
For a starters, in the play the ball, an attempt to touch the ball with your foot is legal, even if it just misses.
There seems to be a cancer spreading where players arent even attempting.
Petero Civ for one hasnt attempted all year, just lifts the foot.
Its a rule not being looked at for the time being....
 

steveb69

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I think i heard some time ago that you don't need to place the foot on the ball, just as long as your in the motion of doing so. or at least making a genuine attempt to roll the ball back with your foot..
 

blacktip-reefy

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I agree with the article.
& IMO, it wasnt a dig at the Sharks, or refs, but the direction the games heiurarchy are taking things.
Also, I do believe that it is in the scope for the video refs to take a look at.
 

Stonecutter

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Hutch clearly made an attempt to get his foot to the football so the try was just. As for Ray, why doesnt he focuss on issues like the Carmont try which had 10 times more doubt involved.
 
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jc155776 said:
By his reasoning there would be about 80 penaltys a game for incorrect play the balls...

Exactly!!

Plus all the other infringements!

Chesterton should watch Union if that's what he wants to see.

Tell him to drink plenty of black coffee when he does sit down to watch it!!!
 

The Popper

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Even though I like to see the correct decisions made, I'm half inclined to think that the Rugby `near enough is good enough' interpretations is the way to go. I've had a gutful of refs/video refs etc. taking 5 minutes to make up their mind and then getting it wrong - particularly when it is against the Sharks. In a way, I accepted the incorrect decisions made against the Sharks were some sort of Karma for the favourable deal we got in the first round.
 

Inferno

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I was also under the impression that you didn't have to hit it as long as you made the motion.

Like others have said it happens 100's of times every game. It does piss me off though when players don't even make the effort and don't even lift their foot. Petro is definately on of the worst offenders in that regard.

As for the Video ref, Im glad their damn powers have been taken away, we definately got a raw deal with that earlier this year. They look at Trys and foul play only. If asked to look at certain aspects of a try they should look at them and them only. Im mean I'v seen trys this year given off passes that were a mile forward because the video ref is not allowed to adjudicate on them. Leave it to the man in the middle.
 

zeppelin

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Next thing you know Chesterton will be having a whinge about the fact they dont penalise teams for incorrectly feeding the ball into the second row of scrums!
 

Stonecutter

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zeppelin said:
Next thing you know Chesterton will be having a whinge about the fact they dont penalise teams for incorrectly feeding the ball into the second row of scrums!

Ray: " What a scoop". :lol:
 

ali

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Columnists in this country are pathetic. You only have to read some of the sports columns tghat come out of the British papers to see how bad our journos are going. Occasionally there is something good in the Herald especially on Saturdays, but the likes of Chesterton, Wilson, Magnay, Freeman, Wells and others usually serve up absolute tripe. There is far better stuff in the forum 7's on this website.
 

dannyboy

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blacktip-reefy said:
Also, I do believe that it is in the scope for the video refs to take a look at.

I agree with you, so long as they are asked if anything is wrong in the play the ball....that would cover the entire ruck right through to the dummy half's clearing pass. However, if the question is only if the dummy half knocked on....
 
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