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Rd 11 2020: Non Parra Games

eels_fan

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Whilst they’ll probably still win today, the panthers have been bog average for 2 weeks struggling to win against poor teams. As soon as they come up against a challenger they will lose.

Not saying they’re a bad team but they are absolutely due a loss
 

Kornstar

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fckn forward pass !!!!!!!

They are so inconsistent with the forward pass it is embarrassing. Surely having them reviewable and calling the obvious ones and letting the ones go that are not obvious is better than not at all?

The one Doueihi threw on Thursday night was atrocious.
 

Suitman

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They are so inconsistent with the forward pass it is embarrassing.

This is what I don't get.
The bunker is allowed to rule on off-side, but not forward passes.
Isn't it all just about straight lines across a field?
Surely if they can see and review a player off-side, they can see and review a forward pass?
 
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They are so inconsistent with the forward pass it is embarrassing. Surely having them reviewable and calling the obvious ones and letting the ones go that are not obvious is better than not at all?

The one Doueihi threw on Thursday night was atrocious.
They seem so bad at it nowadays I think that would be better. Or even just a 'forward pass challenge' separate from Captain's Challenge.
 

Noise

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This is what I don't get.
The bunker is allowed to rule on off-side, but not forward passes.
Isn't it all just about straight lines across a field?
Surely if they can see and review a player off-side, they can see and review a forward pass?
It’s not about straight lines on the field. The rule is ‘backward out of the hands’. If a player is running forward and throws it back it can still travel forward due to momentum - hence the straight lines thing wouldn’t work.
 
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It’s not about straight lines on the field. The rule is ‘backward out of the hands’. If a player is running forward and throws it back it can still travel forward due to momentum - hence the straight lines thing wouldn’t work.
Correct but you've still gotta ask, who is better at judging them, the onfield refs or the bunker? Maybe just a challenge to correct howlers.
 

Happy MEel

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Looking forward to Gould’s article tomorrow challenging the Roosters, Knights and Panthers’ mental toughness.

Injury ravaged Eels go down by 2 to an injury ravaged Manly = mentally weak

Injury ravaged Panthers go within a bees dick of losing to basically a NSW Cup side in the Titans = tough gritty performance and in full control of the game.

The guy is a dead shit.
 

Noise

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Correct but you've still gotta ask, who is better at judging them, the onfield refs or the bunker? Maybe just a challenge to correct howlers.
The problem with that is how do you determine what’s a howler? It becomes too subjective. It’s either forward or it’s not.
 

Suitman

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It’s not about straight lines on the field. The rule is ‘backward out of the hands’. If a player is running forward and throws it back it can still travel forward due to momentum - hence the straight lines thing wouldn’t work.

I completely understand that mate. They then just need to take the appropriate rules into account in making their decision. That Manly pass from Tom Turbo wasn't forward. It was clearly passed backwards and floated forward and should have been a try, but wasn't. Then there was that other one in another game that was clearly thrown forward and should have been pulled up.
It's really not that hard.
 

Noise

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I completely understand that mate. They then just need to take the appropriate rules into account in making their decision. That Manly pass from Tom Turbo wasn't forward. It was clearly passed backwards and floated forward and should have been a try, but wasn't. Then there was that other one in another game that was clearly thrown forward and should have been pulled up.
It's really not that hard.
Which is why we can’t use the straight lines, which was my point.
 

strider

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I thought the panthers forward pass try was ok ... not as bad a call as the titans knock on try before halftime tbh
 
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The problem with that is how do you determine what’s a howler? It becomes too subjective. It’s either forward or it’s not.
It doesn't actually have to be a howler to be overturned. It's just a chance to have another look at it from multiple angles and deciding if it's a legal pass or not. And if it's like a captain's challenge then we don't have to have them do it every time. But you can pretty much guarantee it would reverse some howlers.
 
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This is what I don't get.
The bunker is allowed to rule on off-side, but not forward passes.
Isn't it all just about straight lines across a field?
Surely if they can see and review a player off-side, they can see and review a forward pass?

Well, not quite. A pass legally can go forward in the sense of travelling towards the opposition goal (under the 'momentum' 'direction of the hands' stuff). If you're running at 5m/second a lot of passes to support will go forward relative to the oppositions try line. But offside is much simpler. If the bloke ultimately touching the ball was in front of the last team mate to touch the ball he's offside (as long an he is not in his own in-goal).
 
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Well, not quite. A pass legally can go forward in the sense of travelling towards the opposition goal (under the 'momentum' 'direction of the hands' stuff). If you're running at 5m/second a lot of passes to support will go forward relative to the oppositions try line. But offside is much simpler. If the bloke ultimately touching the ball was in front of the last team mate to touch the ball he's offside (as long an he is not in his own in-goal).
Wah? Do you mean at the point the passer released the ball or where the passer is when the receiver catches it?
 
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Wah? Do you mean at the point the passer released the ball or where the passer is when the receiver catches it?

Which rule are you questioning?

In terms of the forward pass rule, where the passer ends up is irrelevant. He could get smashed a millisecond after throwing the pass. If he threw the ball backwards relative to his own motion he's ok.

In terms of the offside rule, yes the last person to touch the ball can put the other guy onside by moving in front of him (most usually from a kick).
From the Notes to the Rules :

"The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and
not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running
towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards
a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s
own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the
ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is
particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high,
lobbed pass."

https://www.playrugbyleague.com/med...457.370468302.1595752576-678296388.1595752576
 
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hindy111

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Whilst they’ll probably still win today, the panthers have been bog average for 2 weeks struggling to win against poor teams. As soon as they come up against a challenger they will lose.

Not saying they’re a bad team but they are absolutely due a loss

I had $80 on Titans. Took the 6-1

No Korisau or Kikau along with Too and Edward's. That's most their attack.And their two best players.
You throw in no Capewell,Tetavano and Whare and you have a weak side.
At halftime I thought Titans would come home.
Felt like every call went the Panthers way
 

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