Round 14 vs the Raiders

[franklin2323]

I thought the Baptiste one was off a bomb. It was a kick regardless but hey lets ignore the bad with some players. 5 errors in 4 games is a bad stat no matter which way you look at it. 31 tackle breaks and metres gained is great

 

[mxlegend99]

I thought the Baptiste one was off a bomb. It was a kick regardless but hey lets ignore the bad with some players

Baptiste didnt score a try.

Lets just create fictional moments to act like you weren't wrong.

 

[chrisD]

One of Edwards' errors I assume was the intercept he threw on a half break up the middle. DWZ did the same thing. I don't mind that kind of error, that's where we scored our tries and frankly someone should have been there in support both times they were looking to offload.

Edwards on returns being able to find a crease in the defensive line, poke his nose through, get to ground and get a quick play the ball off is worth about 2 errors a game compared to the shit we had to deal with when Moylan was returning.

 

[OldPanther]

I thought the Baptiste one was off a bomb. It was a kick regardless but hey lets ignore the bad with some players. 5 errors in 4 games is a bad stat no matter which way you look at it. 31 tackle breaks and metres gained is great

Slater has 13 errors from 11 games and he's the best fullback of a generation if not in history. I wouldn't be too concerned for edwards.

Some stats:

Games played: Moylan 12, Edwards 4

Tackle Breaks: Moylan 35, Edwards 31

All run Metres: Moylan 1605, Edwards 746. If you x that to equal the 12 games of Moylan it's 2238 running metres!

Errors: Moylan 19, Edwards 5. Edwards has less than Moylan if you x for equal amount of games.

Line Breaks: Moylan 7, Edwards 2.

Slater: Games 11, Run metres 1368, Errors 13, tackle breaks 52.

 

[Pomoz]

QLD Panther we need to talk. The whole future of this Forum is in jeopardy if you start using actual analysis and facts to justify your opinion. Get a grip. Take this as your first warning.

Now, where was I. I reckon Yeo is rubbish, he just takes soft metres and his hair is really bad.

 

[OldPanther]

QLD Panther we need to talk. The whole future of this Forum is in jeopardy if you start using actual analysis and facts to justify your opinion. Get a grip. Take this as your first warning.

Now, where was I. I reckon Yeo is rubbish, he just takes soft metres and his hair is really bad.

Old Panther!!! I will reflect on my shame and ensure it never happens again.

Yeo's hair might be bad but we make up for it with Mansour's beard.

 

[soc123_au]

QLD Panther we need to talk. The whole future of this Forum is in jeopardy if you start using actual analysis and facts to justify your opinion. Get a grip. Take this as your first warning.

Now, where was I. I reckon Yeo is rubbish, he just takes soft metres and his hair is really bad.

Dont even joke about Yeo. I shit you not...

 

[franklin2323]

Baptiste didnt score a try.

Lets just create fictional moments to act like you weren't wrong.

Read my post dumb arse. I said they scored 2 tries could of been 3 off kicks. My mistake was I thought the 2 errors were both off bombs. Both were kicks regardless

 

[franklin2323]

Old Panther. The difference is Cronk and Smith rarely make an error to combat that. I said before I can't remember Moylan making an error fielding a kick.

So his would be mostly in the ball playing department which means they won't go away due to the move.

I guess my point is we can't complete 65% and expect to win games. So hope we are better at that after the bye.

 

[OldPanther]

I guess my point is we can't complete 65% and expect to win games. So hope we are better at that after the bye.

I agree. We completed at 80%+ against the Dogs so they are capable. Though we play a blitzkrieg style attack which might not help/take time to master, they seem to be slowly getting there.

 

[mxlegend99]

Read my post dumb arse. I said they scored 2 tries could of been 3 off kicks. My mistake was I thought the 2 errors were both off bombs. Both were kicks regardless

Youre talking shit. Baptiste didnt score because Edwards did enough to save it... Youre trying to use a try Edwards prevented against him. Every single play COULD be a try. It wasnt and Edwards is the reason why.

Stop living in fictional moments of the game... You go around insulting people who actually watched the game and saw the events that unfolded.

Edwards only made one error that led to a try and it was a dud call against us as it was clearly a double knock on.

Even the best players make errors when there are two sets of hands trying to grab the ball. 99% of the time they correctly call a double knock on though and the scrum goes against the first touch... Except on this occassion where they decided knocking a ball into an opponent infront of you is somehow backwards.

I read your posts and youre trying to blame 2 tries on Edwards aswell as a third that COULD have been but wasnt because he saved it. Youre trying to turn 1 into 3 to make him look bad when it really should have been none.

You mention 5 errors in 4 games as bad. Moylan had 16 errors in his first 9 games at fullback this year. So Edwards is an improvement. Moylan only has 2 error free games this year. The first is where he played half a game at 6. Tge second was his first full game at 6. He didnt have a single error free game while playing 80 minutes at fullback.

 

[mxlegend99]

Dylan Edwards
3 games at fullback.
3 errors.

We have won 2 from 3 of those games

Matt Moylan
10 games at fullback
16 errors

We have only won 4 from 10.

We have strengthened 2 positions. Our only loss with Edwards at fullback was in our weakest lineup of the year. Moylan. Hiku and Blake all dropped for breaching team orders. Peachey. Mansour injured. Our backline was all reserve graders and we lost by 1.

Edwards is the best fullback we have. He has areas he can improve on. But he is still ahead of Moylan in those areas.

Moylan is the best half we have. He also has areas he can improve on. But he is still better than any 6 we have had in years. If he improves he could be the best 6 we have ever had. Thats a long way from happening at the moment. But he has the skills there. Just needs to polish his game and deliver for an extended period of time.

 

[betcats]

5 errors in 4 games is actually not bad at all for a fullback, especially for a rookie.

Go and look at the error rates of Tedesco, Slater, Tom Turbo, RTS, Milford, Jack Bird....5 in 4 games is actually quite good for a FB when you look at it without an agenda in mind. A lot of the best FBs in the game have worse error rates than that, Edwards is a rookie.

 

[OldPanther]

I think it's safe to say we've proven that the team benifits more with the positional changes right? Is there any doubt now? We can show how Moylan has try involvements/line breaks up with the the best halves in the game as well as a missed tackle count that's reasonable for a half. He also seems to free up Cleary to play his natural game better. Edwards has good if not better running stats than the best fullbacks in the game and a better error rate at this point in time. Again is there any doubt that this was best for the team?

 

[billypilgrimnz]

The thing is, Edwards will have the odd bad game because he's so young and because it just happens sometimes even to the best of them (think RTS against us, for example). But he needs time and faith to develop the consistency and coolness required to be a top player. Same with Moylan.

We are half a season behind schedule on Edwards and like a year and a half behind on Moylan thanks to the coach being stubborn and/or blind.

 

[betcats]

Edwards has exceeded my expectations of him in regards to his running game, he is brilliant. He does have to work on contesting kicks but after two games of Moylan at 6 and Edwards at 1 we already seeing good things. I watched a replay of the game if Edwards isn't trailing the ball and our forwards he is on Moylans hip trailing him, just having a genuine supporting FB is great and will pay dividends down the line. We've already seen what Moylan can do with it, he put Edwards away for the Cleary try and dummied inside to Edwards for CHNs try. Our ball handling may have been woeful but I'd liked the attacking structure we had, keep working on it and bring Edwards into it a bit more as he grows in confidence and it could be good with a guy like Moylan pulling the strings.

 

[OldPanther]

Edwards has excelled my expectations of him in regards to his running game, he is brilliant. He does have to work on contesting kicks but after two games of Moylan at 6 and Edwards at 1 we already seeing good things. I watched a replay of the game if Edwards isn't trailing the ball and our forwards he is on Moylans hip trailing him, just having a genuine supporting FB is great and will pay dividends down the line. We've already seen what Moylan can do with it, he put Edwards away for the Cleary try and dummied inside to Edwards for CHNs try. Our ball handling may have been woeful but I'd liked the attacking structure we had, keep working on it and bring Edwards into it a bit more as he grows in confidence and it could be good with a guy like Moylan pulling the strings.

The dummy to Edwards was one of my favourite parts of the game. The Raiders fell for it because he was a genuine option. Having that running fullback with a good support game makes such a massive difference to attacking structures.

 

[franklin2323]

5 errors in 4 games is actually not bad at all for a fullback, especially for a rookie.

Go and look at the error rates of Tedesco, Slater, Tom Turbo, RTS, Milford, Jack Bird....5 in 4 games is actually quite good for a FB when you look at it without an agenda in mind. A lot of the best FBs in the game have worse error rates than that, Edwards is a rookie.

no agenda. Given we have a 19yo half. A 5/8th with 2 games in the position. I think DWZ is the better option with Edwards on the wing. Look at the old heads around those players you speak of

 

[franklin2323]

Youre talking shit. Baptiste didnt score because Edwards did enough to save it... Youre trying to use a try Edwards prevented against him. Every single play COULD be a try. It wasnt and Edwards is the reason why.

Stop living in fictional moments of the game... You go around insulting people who actually watched the game and saw the events that unfolded.

Edwards only made one error that led to a try and it was a dud call against us as it was clearly a double knock on.

Even the best players make errors when there are two sets of hands trying to grab the ball. 99% of the time they correctly call a double knock on though and the scrum goes against the first touch... Except on this occassion where they decided knocking a ball into an opponent infront of you is somehow backwards.

I read your posts and youre trying to blame 2 tries on Edwards aswell as a third that COULD have been but wasnt because he saved it. Youre trying to turn 1 into 3 to make him look bad when it really should have been none.

You mention 5 errors in 4 games as bad. Moylan had 16 errors in his first 9 games at fullback this year. So Edwards is an improvement. Moylan only has 2 error free games this year. The first is where he played half a game at 6. Tge second was his first full game at 6. He didnt have a single error free game while playing 80 minutes at fullback.

Didn't Cotric score off the repeat set from the scrum?

No one will have an error free game. I think DWZ would be the better option when you look at the players in the other key postions. Only the last month Gus was whinging we were too young.

 

[betcats]

no agenda. Given we have a 19yo half. A 5/8th with 2 games in the position. I think DWZ is the better option with Edwards on the wing. Look at the old heads around those players you speak of

II thought DWZ should get first crack also until Saturday, now I think Edwards is our best option.

If we are talking age then DWZ and TMM are only a year older than Edwards, so the age of our spine has barely changed once Wallace is back.