Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

[taipan]

Cap?

English Translation:Brown paper bag (environmentally & cash friendly).

 

[Trifili13]

English Translation:Brown paper bag (environmentally & cash friendly).

And recyclable, can be used for multiple players

 

[bazza]

This can back fire on teams when players decide to stay in union. Penrith have lost Lemoto, the roosters lost Jorgenson and Zach Fitler....

were the Roosters paying those 2 to go to private school or their parents?

 

[Wizardman]

MSN

Major update in Lomax-Eels contract dispute​

Story by Clareese Packer
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Headline-making player Zac Lomax’s is being taken to court by the Parramatta Eels after he tried to walk out on the club and move to rival club Melbourne Storm.
The Parramatta National Rugby League Club has launched civil action against Mr Lomax in the Supreme Court of NSW.
Eels chairman Matthew Beach said it was “disappointing that we have reached this position” in a statement posted to the club’s website on Thursday.

Major update in Lomax-Eels contract dispute
Mr Beach said Mr Lomax had requested a release to pursue opportunities outside the NRL – namely rugby union – with a condition being he not return to the NRL during his contract period without the club’s consent.
However, things appear to have hit a snag when Mr Lomax then tried to move to rival NRL club Melbourne Storm.
“Late last year when we were approached by Melbourne Storm, we engaged with them in good faith,” Mr Beach said.
“However, we have not been able to come to an agreement that would represent sufficient value for our club, particularly in relation to our football program.

Major update in Lomax-Eels contract dispute

Major update in Lomax-Eels contract dispute
“The guiding position of our club has been to ensure a fair exchange of value for our football program in circumstances where the Storm are attempting to obtain the benefit.
“Zac and his agent still have an opportunity to work with us to explore options with the other 16 NRL clubs.




“Notwithstanding this action, we remain open to discussions with any club who may be willing to offer the appropriate value for our football program.”
Mr Beach said there was “no alternative” to pursuing legal action.
“Our coaching staff, players, members and fans would not expect us to consent to the release based on what has been offered, and therefore we have no alternative but to pursue legal action to enforce the terms of the release and protect the rights of our club,” Mr Beach said.
The matter is due in the Supreme Court on Friday, with the Eels enlisting Arthur Moses SC.
Comment was being sought from Lomax and the Storm.

 

[Wizardman]

I created this post to give a massive well done to the Parramatta Eels. To their credit, they have played EVERY card correctly in all of this and still hold the big cards towards a positive outcome for them. For the first time, a club will actually test the strength of a contract which I believe still holds strength, it is just that the clubs don't really act on its power when it comes to the punch.

Parramatta have acted with compassion and good faith with Lomax while protecting their own interest with the clauses.

I especially liked the part where they welcomed approaches from other clubs to make a deal for Lomax. They have done what they can without being bullied into taking a 200k cash deal that does not help them on the field.

A+ work Parra! Well done and stick to your guns! I think just about every fan is a Parra fan on this one.

 

[Dogs Of War]

I created this post to give a massive well done to the Parramatta Eels. To their credit, they have played EVERY card correctly in all of this and still hold the big cards towards a positive outcome for them. For the first time, a club will actually test the strength of a contract which I believe still holds strength, it is just that the clubs don't really act on its power when it comes to the punch.

Parramatta have acted with compassion and good faith with Lomax while protecting their own interest with the clauses.

I especially liked the part where they welcomed approaches from other clubs to make a deal for Lomax. They have done what they can without being bullied into taking a 200k cash deal that does not help them on the field.

A+ work Parra! Well done and stick to your guns! I think just about every fan is a Parra fan on this one.

It could also backfire. Preventing someone from earning a living might not work out the way they want this to. Which would hurt all clubs.

That he thought he was moving to another code/sport, and all that fell through, and now he has been placed into a position where he has no power to force another NRL club to provide the Eels with a player in exchange for his services. All he can offer is cash which they have rejected. So his good faith offer is being rejected, and he is in a position where he cannot force the outcome Parra desire. I'm sure there will be plenty of interest in how this whole situation is approached. I think Parra will just accept cash at some point.

 

[Wizardman]

It could also backfire. Preventing someone from earning a living might not work out the way they want this to. Which would hurt all clubs.

But have they? He can earn a decent living playing Super League in the UK. Even better, he could get a bigger cheque playing French or Japanese Rugby to prepare himself for this R360 opportunity that he actually told the Eels he wanted to pursue.

Lomax and legal representation agreed to this deal. He needs to take responsibility for his actions. Why should Parra end up with a weaker roster to strengthen another roster?

 

[Dogs Of War]

But have they? He can earn a decent living playing Super League in the UK. Even better, he could get a bigger cheque playing French or Japanese Rugby to prepare himself for this R360 opportunity that he actually told the Eels he wanted to pursue.

Lomax and legal representation agreed to this deal. He needs to take responsibility for his actions. Why should Parra end up with a weaker roster to strengthen another roster?

Did you read my whole post? Cause your only responding to one part which is the TLR version.

As I said he has no power to force another club to provide a player for his services. So all he can do is provide cash. That is a power imbalance, and I don't think a court with that presented to them, would look to kindly on that.

We all make decisions that can hurt us, and given the length of time a player has to earn money, and the other options are moving overseas, which might have been a good move in the R360 sense, but doesn't make sense in any other context. The loss of earnings by being forced to play Super League, or the playing Rugby in another country which who knows if that is even an option, and financially that still may not come close to the money on offer to play NRL where his value in known in this code.

I don't think it's as cut and dried as you make it out to be. Yeah he made a bad decision, and his attempts to remedied that are being stopped by stuff that is out of his control due to a demand being made by Parra that he cannot make happen.

Could be a be careful what you wish for moment. It's got Terry Hill and the draft case written all over it.

 

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Did you read my whole post? Cause your only responding to one part which is the TLR version.

As I said he has no power to force another club to provide a player for his services. So all he can do is provide cash. That is a power imbalance, and I don't think a court with that presented to them, would look to kindly on that.

We all make decisions that can hurt us, and given the length of time a player has to earn money, and the other options are moving overseas, which might have been a good move in the R360 sense, but doesn't make sense in any other context. The loss of earnings by being forced to play Super League, or the playing Rugby in another country which who knows if that is even an option, and financially that still may not come close to the money on offer to play NRL where his value in known in this code.

I don't think it's as cut and dried as you make it out to be. Yeah he made a bad decision, and his attempts to remedied that are being stopped by stuff that is out of his control due to a demand being made by Parra that he cannot make happen.

Could be a be careful what you wish for moment. It's got Terry Hill and the draft case written all over it.

Parra have said they are willing to do a deal. $200k is not enough, and it isn't. Do the deal, and he plays. Problem is, no club seems to be able or willing to. Homie fd around and found out.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Parra have said they are willing to do a deal. $200k is not enough, and it isn't. Do the deal, and he plays. Problem is, no club seems to be able or willing to. Homie fd around and found out.

Or Parra are about to find out something similar. Cause where is the line for how much compensation they should get? He was earning around 650-700k a season at Parra. After tax, the 200k is about half his salary that he is offering.

I'm just taking a holistic view of the whole situation. And from that I feel Parra is being unreasonable. And Parra wanting to go to court to get a ruling, which ultimately is that they still control everything about his career in Australia, which when they reject good faith offer, I feel is a restraint of trade, and I wouldn't be surprised when it all backfires in Parra's face when it goes to court.

 

[Barney Stubble]

Or Parra are about to find out something similar. Cause where is the line for how much compensation they should get? He was earning around 650-700k a season at Parra. After tax, the 200k is about half his salary that he is offering.

I'm just taking a holistic view of the whole situation. And from that I feel Parra is being unreasonable. And Parra wanting to go to court to get a ruling, which ultimately is that they still control everything about his career in Australia, which when they reject good faith offer, I feel is a restraint of trade, and I wouldn't be surprised when it all backfires in Parra's face when it goes to court.

What garbage
The 200K is of no use to the eels , as it can only be used by the football dept so a few new punching bags & another ice bath.
Lomax signed the release & its conditions .... no one held a gun to his head. No Magistrate will side with him based on the above . Parramatta have indicated what their terms are , agree to them or play somewhere other then the NRL til 2029.

 

[marlins2.0]

Or Parra are about to find out something similar. Cause where is the line for how much compensation they should get? He was earning around 650-700k a season at Parra. After tax, the 200k is about half his salary that he is offering.

I'm just taking a holistic view of the whole situation. And from that I feel Parra is being unreasonable. And Parra wanting to go to court to get a ruling, which ultimately is that they still control everything about his career in Australia, which when they reject good faith offer, I feel is a restraint of trade, and I wouldn't be surprised when it all backfires in Parra's face when it goes to court.

A player of equal talent and value is fair, along with the release fee. If Melbourne wanted him, they'd release Coates.

 

[Dogs Of War]

What garbage
The 200K is of no use to the eels , as it can only be used by the football dept so a few new punching bags & another ice bath.
Lomax signed the release & its conditions .... no one held a gun to his head. No Magistrate will side with him based on the above . Parramatta have indicated what their terms are , agree to them or play somewhere other then the NRL til 2029.

You must be kidding. A condition in which he has no power over is not a reasonable condition. You can believe whatever you want. But I've outlined how it would be shown to be unreasonable in court, and I don't think any judge going to side with Parra.

 

[Barney Stubble]

A player of equal talent and value is fair, along with the release fee. If Melbourne wanted him, they'd release Coates.

Won't be Coates ,
Its Howarth if its anyone & tbh , Its more likely the Storm will just ring Lomax & say they're no longer interested so they'll keep both.

Lomax will still test the terms of the release in court though

 

[marlins2.0]

Won't be Coates ,
Its Howarth if its anyone & tbh , Its more likely the Storm will just ring Lomax & say they're no longer interested so they'll keep both.

Lomax will still test the terms of the release in court though

And Howarth isn't of equal talent and/or value, so it's fair for Parra not to accept the terms there.

Oath, test the release by all means. He's got f**k all else going on. He's realized ARU can't afford to pay him, Super League can't afford to pay him, Japanese and French rugby clearly can't afford to pay him what he wants or he'd be there. Bloke took a shot, it didn't work out, take ya licks Zaccy boy.

 

[Barney Stubble]

You must be kidding. A condition in which he has no power over is not a reasonable condition. You can believe whatever you want. But I've outlined how it would be shown to be unreasonable in court, and I don't think any judge going to side with Parra.

Did he signed off on that or not ?
seriously what part of that don't you understand ?

It will be over in 5 minutes
Mr Lomax , is that your signature ?

 

[Barney Stubble]

And Howarth isn't of equal talent and/or value, so it's fair for Parra not to accept the terms there.

Oath, test the release by all means. He's got f**k all else going on. He's realized ARU can't afford to pay him, Super League can't afford to pay him, Japanese and French rugby clearly can't afford to pay him what he wants or he'd be there. Bloke took a shot, it didn't work out, take ya licks Zaccy boy.

Parramatta have named him as a player they'd take

end of story

 

[marlins2.0]

Parramatta have named him as a player they'd take

end of story

Clearly Melbourne don't agree he's of equal talent and/or value.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Did he signed off on that or not ?
seriously what part of that don't you understand ?

It will be over in 5 minutes
Mr Lomax , is that your signature ?

Oh did Parra stipulate that he can't offer money. He must offer a player to Parra otherwise it will be rejected.

Glad you cleared that up.

 

[Barney Stubble]

Clearly Melbourne don't agree he's of equal talent and/or value.

Paramatta do thats all that matters
Equal is value or talent at the time of the trade is not an over riding factor either... potential is.