Rule clarification assistance

[blacktip-reefy]

Without being rude, please read carefully & I am only looking for replies from ticketed referees.

If a defending player attempts to catch an attacking teams kick, in the defending players in goal area, what is the rule if the defending player leaves the in goal, catches the ball whilst in the air, but then lands past the dead ball line.?

The way I see it, there are 3 possible results

1. the player has caught the ball on the full, 20 metre restart
2. the player is deemed to be dead in goal, therefore the ball is out on the full, 20 metre restart
3. The player did not complete the catch by landing in the field of play, therefore has taken the ball dead , line drop out.

This quandry has been brought about by the rule change of 20 m restart for catching the ball on the full in goal. If that rule change had not been brought in, option 3 would be the rule.

Thoughts?

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Surely the answer is (1). It all depends where you jump from.

 

[The Engineers Room]

Without being rude, please read carefully & I am only looking for replies from ticketed referees.

If a defending player attempts to catch an attacking teams kick, in the defending players in goal area, what is the rule if the defending player leaves the in goal, catches the ball whilst in the air, but then lands past the dead ball line.?

The way I see it, there are 3 possible results

1. the player has caught the ball on the full, 20 metre restart
2. the player is deemed to be dead in goal, therefore the ball is out on the full, 20 metre restart
3. The player did not complete the catch by landing in the field of play, therefore has taken the ball dead , line drop out.

This quandry has been brought about by the rule change of 20 m restart for catching the ball on the full in goal. If that rule change had not been brought in, option 3 would be the rule.

Thoughts?

20m restart.

It is where you leave from. And by catching it the play is completed. If you did it in the field of play it is play on until you hit the ground or a corner post.

 

[skeepe]

Yep, 1. The same thing would happen if you took the catch and landed over the sideline, or in the field of play. As long as the player leaves the ground in the in goal, it does not matter where he lands. This is why a call that Panthers fans were blowing up deluxe about in their game with the Eels a while back was 100% correct. As the Panthers player had one foot in the in goal, play must be restarted with a 20m optional tap kick.

 

[Eels Dude]

You do not need a ticketed referee to answer that question. It's a 20m restart. You'll se it happens every now and then if you watch enough rugby league. As long as he catches the ball before his feet touch the ground outside play then 20m restart.

 

[The Engineers Room]

Yep, 1. The same thing would happen if you took the catch and landed over the sideline, or in the field of play. As long as the player leaves the ground in the in goal, it does not matter where he lands. This is why a call that Panthers fans were blowing up deluxe about in their game with the Eels a while back was 100% correct. As the Panthers player had one foot in the in goal, play must be restarted with a 20m optional tap kick.

If he had one foot in goal and one foot in the field of play then that is play on when he catches it.

 

[no name]

If he had one foot in goal and one foot in the field of play then that is play on when he catches it.

No it isn't. One foot in goal one foot field of play is deemed to be caught in goal, 20m restart.

 

[no name]

Even one foot on the try line is deemed in goal

 

[blacktip-reefy]

So by default of the rule change, that rule has now changed too? Can anybody link to the rule.

A typical example is if the same thing happens 10m upfield. Plater leaves the field of play, but then lands in goal. its play on.
In essence, the rule in question is saying the catch is completed in the air (when in goal) irrespective of where he lands. In the field of play, the catch is not completed until he lands somewhere.?

 

[Eels Dude]

Territory is deemed by where his feet are before he leaves the ground. That's what it comes down to.

To note a similar example, that's why players put one foot over the dead ball line in an attempt to catch the kickoff is it's going close to the dead ball line on the full. If he catches it they get a penalty on halfway. Even though when he caught the ball 90% of his body was in the in goal area.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Territory is deemed by where his feet are before he leaves the ground. That's what it comes down to.

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I don't think you are understanding the differences. I am fully aware of the previous rule for the example I gave.
Prior to the rule change, the rule was that if you left the goal area, caught the ball on the full then landed fully over the dead ball line, it was a goal line drop out. Simple.

Same rule applies to all boundaries. If you leave the field of play, catch the ball in the air, then land fully outside the sideline, that player has taken the ball into touch. Simple.

Enter the rule change (in the late 90's I think) where the defending team gets the advantage if they take a kick in goal on the full. The question now becomes when is the catch deemed complete? In the air? When he lands?
Throw into the equation this. What if he doesn't complete the catch but taps it back to a player standing behind the dead ball line or with 1 foot dead, 1 foot in goal. What would happen in those scenarios? The ball is still caught on the full.

 

[Eels Dude]

The catch would be deemed complete as soon as he has control of the ball. If he catches it in the air then 20 metre tap. If he attempts to catch it, fumbles it, falls over the deadball line yet still is able to catch it before it touches the ground then this would be a dropout. It's all up to the referee's interpretation as to when he has caught it. Most times it should be very obvious so i'm not sure what you're still trying to comprehend.

If he taps the ball back to a player with one foot over the deadball line then it is a completely different scenario. As the first attempted catcher was the last person to touch the ball then it is he who has knocked the ball into touch, rather than it being kicked out on the full, and it would be a goal line dropout. It can't be deemed to have been caught on the full if between it leaving the boot and being caught another player successfully plays at the football.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

It's all up to the referee's interpretation as to when he has caught it. Most times it should be very obvious so i'm not sure what you're still trying to comprehend. .

So, if in the process of catching the ball he "baubles" it & doesn't get control until his feet hit the ground past the dead ball line.
As you said yourself, a catch is now open to interpretation apparently.
Also, without being rude, with what qualification are you making these statements?

 

[Hanscholo]

A ticketed referee would know as much as the rest of us would. if that.

 

[steaming stormer]

So, if in the process of catching the ball he "baubles" it & doesn't get control until his feet hit the ground past the dead ball line.
As you said yourself, a catch is now open to interpretation apparently.
Also, without being rude, with what qualification are you making these statements?

Then he would be deemed to have taken the ball dead surely. Dropout. I don't see the issue. This whole ruling is pretty clear generally I'd have thought

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Then he would be deemed to have taken the ball dead surely. Dropout. I don't see the issue. This whole ruling is pretty clear generally I'd have thought

It was clear until the rule change for catching the ball in goal was introduced. There are now differing opinions on this.

I don't believe anybody in this thread is correct .
IMO the catch is completed once he hits the ground, not in mid air. So to complete the catch & earn the 20 m restart , he has to land fully in goal or have 1 foot over the dead ball line whilst catching it.

 

[mxlegend99]

Panthers were forced to take a 20 metre restart against the Titans on Saturday night, just as Lachlan Coote was making a linebreak with Michael Jennings backing him up.

Lachlan Coote caught the ball on the full running toward our goal line with 3 players chasing him. He was in the field of play when he caught it, he got around the players chasing the ball and then we got called back for a 20 metre restart. We could have either run all the way to score, or atleast gotten to the halfway line.

We also missed out on a length of the field try earlier in the season because Michael Gordon had a foot either side of the line when he caught the ball, and the referee either isn't allowed to, or chooses not to play advantage on this rule... which is ridiculous.

The 20 metre restart should only happen if the player catches the ball on the full in goal, and is either tackled in goal, or taken over one of the sidelines/deadball line in goal. If they get into the field of play, play on.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

It was clear until the rule change for catching the ball in goal was introduced. There are now differing opinions on this.

I don't believe anybody in this thread is correct .
IMO the catch is completed once he hits the ground, not in mid air. So to complete the catch & earn the 20 m restart , he has to land fully in goal or have 1 foot over the dead ball line whilst catching it.

The catch is completed when the player lands

But once the catch is completed, the catch is deemed to have occurred where the player lept from

Seems silly, but is the rule

 

[Frailty]

This is the actual rule in the laws of the game:

Section 8

2. The game is restarted with an optional kick from the centre of the 20 metre line if:

c) A defending player, in his own goal, takes a kick in general play from an opponent on the full.

As you see it doesn't deem when the ball is taken 'on the full' and this is to the referees discretion.

You will find reefy, that the general consensus amongst referees (I have a level 2) that the ball is caught when it is under control. So the example that you gave before is a 20m restart because he caught the ball after leaving the ground from the in-goal area.

It is irrelevant to bring up the same situation happening in the field of play because once the ball is caught it is play on. So if jumps from the field of play catches it (play on is called here) and then lands in touch - he has taken it into touch.

If the player fumbles the ball in the air and then catches it again before entering touch-in-goal, or the dead ball it is a 20 metre restart. If however, he fumbles in the air, and then catches it again when his feets is already out of play he has made the ball dead because when he 'caught' the ball on the full he was in touch (and he touched the ball from the field of play) so it is a goal line dropout.

For the other example that player A fumbles the ball and player B catches it in the ingoal area, it is play on because he did not catch the ball from a kick in general play but rather a transition of the ball from another player. If player B is touch in goal when he catches it in the situation just previously mentioned it will be a goal line drop out.

I hope this sheds some light on the situation.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

very good, thank you.
Do you have a link to the rules?