Rumoured Signings

[Dogs Of War]

Similar to my response in the other thread, this is based on misconception.

Parra aren't asking anything of Lomax. They're attempting to negotiate permission with his prospective employer, and vice versa

But Melbourne provided the answer. Which was no. So now Lomax has provided his only solution he can provide, money. But Parra is rejecting that. At what point does it become restraint of trade. Parra need to just accept they ain't getting a player in return that they feel is decent enough.

Maybe Parra should just hit the player market. Geez, Averillo is coming off contract and would assist that backline in so many ways as a guy who can play nearly all the positions, which is exactly what they need as they blood youth. Perfect guy to complement what they are trying to do currently.

 

[Barney Stubble]

If the release prevented him from playing any professional sport, he might have a legal leg to stand on. Thing is he could go play in the ESL, or play union or another professional sport to earn a living. That's why I expect the eels will be successful in court.

100%
he can earn a decent living outside the NRL otherwise the terms of Lomax's release would be a restraint of trade.
This wouldn't hold up in court if it was a fumbler , because there are no other places where a player could earn a decent living , But Lomax has super league & rugby union as options to earn good $ if another NRL's clubs terms to Parramatta aren't acceptable.

 

[Bazal]

But Melbourne provided the answer. Which was no. So now Lomax has provided his only solution he can provide, money. But Parra is rejecting that. At what point does it become restraint of trade. Parra need to just accept they ain't getting a player in return that they feel is decent enough.

Maybe Parra should just hit the player market. Geez, Averillo is coming off contract and would assist that backline in so many ways as a guy who can play nearly all the positions, which is exactly what they need as they blood youth. Perfect guy to complement what they are trying to do currently.

No, Melbourne have offered a transfer fee.

Both parties in a negotiation have the right to say no and let it all fall over. If Lomax has another club in mind, negotiation can start with them too.

What they are trying to do is ensure their rights are preserved. It's a basic legal entitlement.

 

[Barney Stubble]

But Melbourne provided the answer. Which was no. So now Lomax has provided his only solution he can provide, money. But Parra is rejecting that. At what point does it become restraint of trade. Parra need to just accept they ain't getting a player in return that they feel is decent enough.

Maybe Parra should just hit the player market. Geez, Averillo is coming off contract and would assist that backline in so many ways as a guy who can play nearly all the positions, which is exactly what they need as they blood youth. Perfect guy to complement what they are trying to do currently.

Its not an answer if Parramatta don't believe it is ...
Lomax just needs to accept... hes not playing in the NRL until 2029 or until Parramatta decide its before then

 

[Dogs Of War]

Its not an answer if Parramatta don't believe it is ...
Lomax just needs to accept... hes not playing in the NRL until 2029 or until Parramatta decide its before then

Good luck Parra in court is all I have to say. About to get their arse handed to them. No wonder PVL is trying to weigh to get allow Parra to save some face.

 

[Barney Stubble]

Going overseas is not a reasonable expectation though. Things change. He could argue in this period he needs to be near family and friends, rather than trying his hand to further his career outside Australia. Whilst R360 was a thing, and the conditions were very favourable with how they outlined it, that you could still base yourself in your home country, length of competition (8 weeks plus finals) etc, that is not the same with what the alternate overseas options provide.

Why I said it's unlikely Parra will be successful, is because they are asking for a player in return. That is something Lomax cannot make happen, and is unreasonable. I'm sure eventually they will come to terms with a cash settlement, and that will be the end of it all.

Theres 11 Super Rugby franchises in the region
who said it has to be over seas ?

 

[Barney Stubble]

Good luck Parra in court is all I have to say. About to get their arse handed to them. No wonder PVL is trying to weigh to get allow Parra to save some face.

The only one needing luck is Lomax

Parramattas case is water tight

 

[Bazal]

Theres 11 Super Rugby franchises in the region
who said it has to be over seas ?

Plus 18 NRL clubs he's free to join if they come up with something remotely reasonable.

 

[Bazal]

The only one needing luck is Lomax

Parramattas case is water tight

In fairness, almost no legal case is water tight. Based on the info we have Lomax is up against it, but without all the info it's impossible to say much else predictively

 

[Dogs Of War]

Theres 11 Super Rugby franchises in the region
who said it has to be over seas ?

Of which 4 are based in Australia. As I said, good luck Parra holding this up in court. PVL also doesn't want a State of Origin player if he can help it move to promote another code. That's Parra trying to shoot the NRL in the foot.

 

[Barney Stubble]

Of which 4 are based in Australia. As I said, good luck Parra holding this up in court. PVL also doesn't want a State of Origin player if he can help it move to promote another code. That's Parra trying to shoot the NRL in the foot.

Again..
no luck required

Lomax agreed to the terms of his release , its another comp til 2029 or Parramatta get a player from which ever NRL club wants him , whether that is the Storm or whoever
These are the only acceptable terms for the eels.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Is there anything stopping Lomax going 'Hey Parra Im coming back' and rocking up to training? Surely that would be the best way to get a full release. f**k around when there and wreck their salary cap

 

[Dogs Of War]

Again..
no luck required

Lomax agreed to the terms of his release , its another comp til 2029 or Parramatta get a player from which ever NRL club wants him , whether that is the Storm or whoever
These are the only acceptable terms for the eels.

Is that acceptable to a judge though? At some point it becomes a restraint of trade. When they are offered 200k to make amends and that is rejected, it starts getting very murky. It's not the servitude era anymore. Companies can't own you. How would you be if this is how your old company said, well you are out of your contract, but still we need a replacement if you work for one of our competitors, even the cash offer is rejected. It's simply getting to a point no matter how much you want to believe Parra holds all the cards, that they by rejecting those what I would consider reasonable offers, have put themselves in a terrible position that they seem to want to double down on now.

 

[Lucas]

Going to another code, or going overseas, is easy enough to type. The question is whether that will be deemed reasonable, we actually don't know. It's quite interesting.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Again..
no luck required

Lomax agreed to the terms of his release , its another comp til 2029 or Parramatta get a player from which ever NRL club wants him , whether that is the Storm or whoever
These are the only acceptable terms for the eels.

I mean every player agrees to terms when they sign a contract to not play for another club during that time. Parra seemed more then happy to have Moses/Matterson/Lomax break theirs and were shooting their load all over the place when they thought Galvin would go against his current terms, against his current clubs will.

 

[Barney Stubble]

Is that acceptable to a judge though? At some point it becomes a restraint of trade. When they are offered 200k to make amends and that is rejected, it starts getting very murky. It's not the servitude era anymore. Companies can't own you. How would you be if this is how your old company said, well you are out of your contract, but still we need a replacement if you work for one of our competitors, even the cash offer is rejected. It's simply getting to a point no matter how much you want to believe Parra holds all the cards, that they by rejecting those what I would consider reasonable offers, have put themselves in a terrible position that they seem to want to double down on now.

Based on the legalities of contracts & what BOTH parties agreed to
Absolutely it is acceptable

It is not a restraint of trade when Parramatta are not stopping Lomax earning a living

 

[Barney Stubble]

I mean every player agrees to terms when they sign a contract to not play for another club during that time. Parra seemed more then happy to have Moses/Matterson/Lomax break theirs and were shooting their load all over the place when they thought Galvin would go against his current terms, against his current clubs will.

Did those players have conditional releases ?

no?

then it aint the same

 

[Vic Mackey]

Did those players have conditional releases ?

no?

then it aint the same

How is it not the same? A release is still a contract between the two parties

 

[Dogs Of War]

Based on the legalities of contracts & what BOTH parties agreed to
Absolutely it is acceptable

It is not a restraint of trade when Parramatta are not stopping Lomax earning a living

But they are. By rejecting a reasonable offer and then making demands that he can't make happen in asking for a player in return. It changes from acceptable to unreasonable.

You're also not considering the player that Parra wants, may not be willing to go to Parra. That's part of the equation as well. Some players would see Parra in a rebuilding phase, and not want to be part of that journey, or feel that it isn't the right opportunity at that stage of their career. A lot more goes into this as opposed to your black and white judgement on the contract release conditions. Thank god we have pretty strong employment laws. Parra can't own him forever (2029) if they continue to be unreasonable.

 

[Barney Stubble]

How is it not the same? A release is still a contract between the two parties

The Tigers sought no conditions to release those players , thats on them , their business
Parramatta did it differently

thats how it aint the same