Not yet, but you were trying to defer responsibility from the coach for the squad, and it's a common talking point. It's his 4th year, at any club a 4th year coach would be considered to be coaching "his squad" by now.
Yep. If anyone (O’Brien especially) is playing that card, the club should be folded, disbanded and erased from consciousness.Anyone who entertains the concept of the head coach having nothing to do with recruitment, please come and see me for a great deal on a very impressive bridge.
If the head coach is satisfied with a player at a certain position why would the GM undermine him and go sign a replacement?No, I was deferring sole responsibility for the squad from the coach. I seem to remember Parr being brought into the club for that very reason, and everyone’s biggest gripe at the moment of having Crossland as our backup hooker happened very much on Parr’s watch.
But I can see how me saying that the squad “doesn’t sit squarely on the shoulders of the head coach” can be confused with me saying that he has nothing to do with recruitment at all.
To be honest I'd be happy as long as it isn't AOB...Hypothetically if the club sacked AOB and hired Madge I’m not sure how I’d feel about it. Madge’s legacy in the NRL is a single premiership that he won at Souths almost a decade ago with a squad that was ready to win a comp at a club with far superior resources to us.
Then he goes to the Tigers whose situation isn’t too dissimilar to ours and unfortunately whatever he was trying to do off the field didn’t translate to anything good on the field. They were pretty poor throughout most of his tenure there.
I’ve got no doubt that his hard nosed attitude is something that this club desperately needs but does he actually have the right coaching philosophy in place and has he learned from his mistakes at the Tigers?
I feel like it could go either way with Madge.
If the head coach is satisfied with a player at a certain position why would the GM undermine him and go sign a replacement?
so you're saying he should be undermining the coach and getting rid of players the coach wants and signing players the coach doesn't want?Isn't that Parr's role- to oversee and manage the roster? He's not here to hold a clipboard and be a lackey. I doubt it was O'Brien on the phones organising a player swap between Randell and Marzhew. And if it was O'Brien calling the shots completely on his own, then Parr should be sacked for being useless.
so you're saying he should be undermining the coach and getting rid of players the coach wants and signing players the coach doesn't want?
To me his role is working with the coach in shaping the roster, handling negotiations, staffing, overseeing pathways and other back of house things. The GM should be working in consultation with the head coach not working against him especially if the coach is adamant about something. At the end of the day whoever the responsibility lies with the roster construction isn't where it needs to be at present
I agree with you but on the same token as it is a shared responsibility if AOB is adamant he has a starting quality hooker in Crossland Parr isn’t likely to go and undermine him when ultimately it’s going to be AOB who picks the team each weekI’ll say what I have said twice before for a third time- responsibility for the makeup of the squad doesn’t sit squarely on the shoulders of the coach.
I’m not saying O‘Brien has no responsibility. I’m not saying Parr has full responsibility. I’m saying that it is a shared responsibility between several people in the club. I don’t see how that’s a controversial statement
Not that I’m pushing for Madge, but I think AOB came here as a rookie and started to bend his standards. Madge has the experience I think to stick to his guns and not bend.I believe the rep of OBrien before he came here was one of being "hard nosed". Not sure Madge coming in with the same attitude/philosophy is going to make a difference
Absolutely, but I think the consensus here is we need a tough bastard with tough love who won’t bend and break. It might not work and I’m not saying that is the approach 24/7, but I think we all yearn for a Brian Smith like approach again.Yeah but that didn't go so well at the Tigers though
The best coaches who have the best results recognise that you need to have high standards sure but you also need to know that you have a team of individuals with differing motivations and differing personalities and to know when, how and what to do to push them along.
Cookie cuttering an approach just doesn't, well ,cut it really.