Rumours and Stuff

[Gary Gutful]

I'm certain they're looking at measurables rather than abstract concepts like 'culture', but they will talk about culture because they have to these days, just as they have to give a nod to diversity.

Of course they will make 'cultural' recommendations such as getting rid of merkins who f**k up on the piss or otherwise harm the club's reputation. We already got rid of Edwards, one of our best forwards, and rumours won't go away that we're trying to get rid of Norman, who is one of our best players. So 'fixing the culture' has already been one of Arthur's goals before the review happened.

Let’s hope they deal with measurables. In my experience people often prefer to stick with abstract concepts rather than make hard decisions.

Apologies if that is condescending.

 

[Glenneel]

That goes against the opportunity for a fresher approach, not encouraging as was hoping for new ideas among the assistants

Is Murphy our attack coach? Shit I hope not, our attack has been pedestrian, or not much better, for years and we need a fresh approach. A bit more offloading would help, which both Junior and Lane bring, but it appears those sort of forwards arrive here and it disappears.

 

[Glenneel]

This statement has flaws. Flip a coin. Tell me what you get. Do the same thing 10 times. Tell me what you get.

I can tell you with 100% certainty (you listening Hindy? Mr 85%) you'll get either heads or tails and no other variation.

 

[84 Baby]

I can tell you with 100% certainty (you listening Hindy? Mr 85%) you'll get either heads or tails and no other variation.

And you'd be wrong

 

[Glenneel]

You’d like to think so, so far before the review is even finished we have the Head coach safe, attacking coach extended and the Head fitness AFL merkin safe.

Massive changes coming up by the looks, totally massive.

Does anybody know exactly what they are reviewing? Maybe its what additional resources the coach needs rather than reviewing the current staff and their roles and if they met KPIs. Do they even have KPIs? According to BA Murphy must have done a decent job this year otherwise why employ him? Actually does BA review each game to see what they did wrong and ways to improve? Does BA even realise his continued employment depends on those assistants under him doing a good job? Based on above it seems BA has NFI!

 

[Happy MEel]

By getting rid of good players because they hurt our media profile?

You and others seem fixated on off field behaviour. That’s just one component of the culture within the organisation. I’ve already provided my definition of culture and how it should be applied across the club.

 

[TheRam]

Sharks have one eye firmly on future

Are Cronulla on the verge of becoming the NRL's next dynasty?

This weekend shapes as a bumper one for the Sharks as they attempt to stake a claim at being the most dominant club in rugby league.

Not only will their NRL side take on fierce rivals Melbourne for a spot in the grand final but their under-20s will meet Penrith in the Jersey Flegg final and feeder club Newtown are into the NSW Cup decider.

The club's strength in all three grades is testament to their depth and the talent coming through their ranks - all of which can be traced back to head coach Shane Flanagan's overhaul of their development systems back in 2015.

The Sharks' decision to invest time, money and resources into the club's academy system is beginning to show green shoots.

Rugby league got a taste of the Sharks' generation next in last month's win over Newcastle when Flanagan blooded his son Kyle, who is being groomed as the club's long-term halfback.

The likes of Blayke Brailey, Bronson Xerri, Billy Magoulias and Briton Nikora are not far off being ready for first-grade and the club boasts one of the league's most impressive list of youngsters.

"I do get a kick out of it. We put a lot of time and effort into it, our SG Ball and (Harold) Matthews Cup were successful as well," Flanagan told AAP.


"It just show that if you put time and effort and resources into it, you'll get results."

Three years ago Flanagan overhauled the club's elite academy and junior representative system and pumped time and effort into encouraging participation in the Shire.

His high performance staff oversee the training programs of the club's junior representative players, giving them a taste of what it takes to be an NRL footballer from as young as 14.

Flanagan flew to the UK in 2016 and toured English Premier League clubs to look at their academy systems, giving him ideas which he's since implemented.


The dream is to have four or five local juniors in their top grade squad at all times.

"We wanted to make sure we could produce our own," Flanagan told AAP.

"People say that back in the day of ET (Andrew Ettingshausen) we had a lot of local juniors and we had a bit of a flat spot there in between them. We probably did.

"The programs and systems probably fell away for a time there but they're back in place and we're seeing the benefits."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-have-one-eye-firmly-on-future-20180919-p504li.html


Seems as though all this bloke needed was a 3 year plan to win a title(in his second coming) and create quality junior talent. I like coaches that know size, experience, and juniors win titles. You know great recruiters and developers.

BA I feel is still struggling with this notion or just isn't capable to executing it effectively.

 

[TheRam]

James Graham is an ok purchase who obviously fit into the improving dragons pack with a plethora of size and talent. He was probably the missing piece in the puzzle and brought his intimidation and toughness.

A three year contract for graham adding to an already aging pack would have been another disaster here. We're currently in a rebuilding phase and needed the Ese's or the pangai jnr types.

I don't agree, not for the price that it has been reported that they picked him up for. $250-300K.

You can never call that a disaster signing for that sort of money. He is a true leader that we haven't seen the likes of since Ray Price. We are currently leaderless no matter what the club, coach or anyone else has to say.

 

[strider]

Sharks have one eye firmly on future

Are Cronulla on the verge of becoming the NRL's next dynasty?

This weekend shapes as a bumper one for the Sharks as they attempt to stake a claim at being the most dominant club in rugby league.

Not only will their NRL side take on fierce rivals Melbourne for a spot in the grand final but their under-20s will meet Penrith in the Jersey Flegg final and feeder club Newtown are into the NSW Cup decider.

The club's strength in all three grades is testament to their depth and the talent coming through their ranks - all of which can be traced back to head coach Shane Flanagan's overhaul of their development systems back in 2015.

The Sharks' decision to invest time, money and resources into the club's academy system is beginning to show green shoots.

Rugby league got a taste of the Sharks' generation next in last month's win over Newcastle when Flanagan blooded his son Kyle, who is being groomed as the club's long-term halfback.

The likes of Blayke Brailey, Bronson Xerri, Billy Magoulias and Briton Nikora are not far off being ready for first-grade and the club boasts one of the league's most impressive list of youngsters.

"I do get a kick out of it. We put a lot of time and effort into it, our SG Ball and (Harold) Matthews Cup were successful as well," Flanagan told AAP.


"It just show that if you put time and effort and resources into it, you'll get results."

Three years ago Flanagan overhauled the club's elite academy and junior representative system and pumped time and effort into encouraging participation in the Shire.

His high performance staff oversee the training programs of the club's junior representative players, giving them a taste of what it takes to be an NRL footballer from as young as 14.

Flanagan flew to the UK in 2016 and toured English Premier League clubs to look at their academy systems, giving him ideas which he's since implemented.


The dream is to have four or five local juniors in their top grade squad at all times.

"We wanted to make sure we could produce our own," Flanagan told AAP.

"People say that back in the day of ET (Andrew Ettingshausen) we had a lot of local juniors and we had a bit of a flat spot there in between them. We probably did.

"The programs and systems probably fell away for a time there but they're back in place and we're seeing the benefits."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-have-one-eye-firmly-on-future-20180919-p504li.html


Seems as though all this bloke needed was a 3 year plan to win a title(in his second coming) and create quality junior talent. I like coaches that know size, experience, and juniors win titles. You know great recruiters and developers.

BA I feel is still struggling with this notion or just isn't capable to executing it effectively.

Sounds good

Time will tell how good. They only have 2 of the so called juniours playing nrl ... and the were prob in the system prior to 3 years ago

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I don't agree, not for the price that it has been reported that they picked him up for. $250-300K.

There is absolutely no reports that dragons are only paying $250-300k this year - can you provide one ? Or did you make it up?

Anyhow found this report (and Ryan’s Mail is normally spot on) that says the dragons are paying Graham $600k this year:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cou...e/news-story/66add9309e249204aaf01e85449ff2df

 

[Gary Gutful]

I doubt Graham would sign for Parra for less than $700K. He’ll want a lengthy contract as well.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I doubt Graham would sign for Parra for less that $700K. He’ll want a lengthy contract as well.

I reckon BA was interested in him (he did mentioned a few years ago that Graham was the one player he wouId like to sign) but BA passed as we already had several players with a similar build, and he wanted a “big body”.

It’s no surprise as BA is trying to add side to the pack I think that 5 out of the last 7 BA forward (with NRL experience) signings from other clubs have been bigger bodies - Vave, Evans, Lane, t-rex and Paulo (Matagi was signed at short notice as wicks left and Brown was probably a targeted signing). He even spend time getting Meehan cleared to return to the NRL training.

 

[84 Baby]

Sharks have one eye firmly on future

Are Cronulla on the verge of becoming the NRL's next dynasty?

This weekend shapes as a bumper one for the Sharks as they attempt to stake a claim at being the most dominant club in rugby league.

Not only will their NRL side take on fierce rivals Melbourne for a spot in the grand final but their under-20s will meet Penrith in the Jersey Flegg final and feeder club Newtown are into the NSW Cup decider.

The club's strength in all three grades is testament to their depth and the talent coming through their ranks - all of which can be traced back to head coach Shane Flanagan's overhaul of their development systems back in 2015.

The Sharks' decision to invest time, money and resources into the club's academy system is beginning to show green shoots.

Rugby league got a taste of the Sharks' generation next in last month's win over Newcastle when Flanagan blooded his son Kyle, who is being groomed as the club's long-term halfback.

The likes of Blayke Brailey, Bronson Xerri, Billy Magoulias and Briton Nikora are not far off being ready for first-grade and the club boasts one of the league's most impressive list of youngsters.

"I do get a kick out of it. We put a lot of time and effort into it, our SG Ball and (Harold) Matthews Cup were successful as well," Flanagan told AAP.


"It just show that if you put time and effort and resources into it, you'll get results."

Three years ago Flanagan overhauled the club's elite academy and junior representative system and pumped time and effort into encouraging participation in the Shire.

His high performance staff oversee the training programs of the club's junior representative players, giving them a taste of what it takes to be an NRL footballer from as young as 14.

Flanagan flew to the UK in 2016 and toured English Premier League clubs to look at their academy systems, giving him ideas which he's since implemented.


The dream is to have four or five local juniors in their top grade squad at all times.

"We wanted to make sure we could produce our own," Flanagan told AAP.

"People say that back in the day of ET (Andrew Ettingshausen) we had a lot of local juniors and we had a bit of a flat spot there in between them. We probably did.

"The programs and systems probably fell away for a time there but they're back in place and we're seeing the benefits."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-have-one-eye-firmly-on-future-20180919-p504li.html


Seems as though all this bloke needed was a 3 year plan to win a title(in his second coming) and create quality junior talent. I like coaches that know size, experience, and juniors win titles. You know great recruiters and developers.

BA I feel is still struggling with this notion or just isn't capable to executing it effectively.

So 2017 top 4 NRL finish (ahead of Cronulla), poor NSW cup finish (still better than Cronulla), NYC grand finalists (not against Cronulla), 2nd place SG Ball & premiers (over Cronulla) and 3rd place HM (ahead of Crounlla including beating them in finals) equals nothing but scorn and excuses for having performed so well. But hey story about how another team has had a good year in lower grades and nothing but wishful whining

 

[hineyrulz]

Graham would of been great around the time we signed that fraud from Moanly, he was still playing great footy. His leadership is stil great but he is not the player he was.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

There is absolutely no reports that dragons are only paying $250-300k this year - can you provide one ? Or did you make it up?

Anyhow found this report (and Ryan’s Mail is normally spot on) that says the dragons are paying Graham $600k this year:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cou...e/news-story/66add9309e249204aaf01e85449ff2df

Yeh, well I just saw some bloke on a forum say it was 250-300k, so from now on, that's the truth.

 

[Parra Cheeses]

I don't agree, not for the price that it has been reported that they picked him up for. $250-300K.

You can never call that a disaster signing for that sort of money. He is a true leader that we haven't seen the likes of since Ray Price. We are currently leaderless no matter what the club, coach or anyone else has to say.

Leaderless X2. It's embarrassing.

 

[Twizzle]

didn't BA fly over to seppo land last summer to see how NFL academies work ?

I seem to recall a media release about it

 

[Gronk]

Does anybody know exactly what they are reviewing?

https://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2018/07/11/club-update-football-department-review/

Dear Members of Parramatta Eels:

As announced last week, as a Club we have commenced an important project to best prepare our Football Department to succeed both now and into the future. The process is being led by the Board of Directors of PNRL, with my input and the participation of the Club’s Football Department.

Our aspiration for our Parramatta Eels is to have a high performing Football Department that is consistently achieving great outcomes for everyone involved in our Club - our fans, Players, staff, sponsors and all other stakeholders connected with the Club.

We are determined to ensure that the Football Department has the best possible people, systems and resources to give the Eels the best opportunity to succeed on the field. On-field success is a key driver of our overall Club success.

Consistent with last week’s announcement, we planned to engage an experienced and independent third party to be involved with the project.

After a thorough search and consultation process, PNRL has engaged experienced consultant Shane McCurry to assist with the project. Shane has assisted us to develop a comprehensive approach for conducting the project, which will include speaking to staff and players internally and benchmarking our Football Department against other teams, sports and industries internationally.

Shane has worked in high performance sport, corporate, government and education organisations for two decades. He was directly involved in Elite Sporting Clubs through 15 years involvement in the AFL, initially at North Melbourne Football Club over six years where he held a range of full time positions across the Football Department. Following his time at North Melbourne, Shane was promoted to the AFL and was on the leadership team of the AFL Football Department.

Shane was involved in Essendon Football Club’s most recent Football Department Review in 2015 and is currently engaged to oversee the Culture & Leadership program at Richmond Football Club, the highlight of which included the drought-breaking 2017 AFL Premiership.

In Rugby League, Shane has worked with a number of teams, including the Wests Tigers and the NRL itself over the past four years.

Shane has also worked with International sports including Basketball, American Football and Soccer. His areas of specialty include Organisational Development and Structure, Football Operations, Club Culture, Player Leadership and Staff Development.

Shane will be supported in the project by two experienced practitioners, Greg Brentnall and Rob Kerr.

Greg Brentnall has significant NRL industry experience as a player at State and International level with the Canterbury Bulldogs, and then with the Melbourne Storm as an NRL Assistant Coach and longtime Administrator working in recruitment and talent Pathways.

Rob Kerr has over 30 years’ experience in AFL football, including as a Club GM Football, Club List & Recruiting Manager, AFL Assistant Coach and CEO of the AFL Players’ Association . Rob began his AFL career as a player at North Melbourne Kangaroos and the Sydney Swans. In addition to his sports administration career he has worked as an Organisational Psychologist for a U.S. based consulting firm during which time he consulted in the Australia, the US and throughout Asia.

The scope of the review includes all aspects of our Football Department including:

• Governance and Leadership
• Recruitment and Retention
• Player Roster Management & Salary Cap
• Coaching & Support (NRL, Intrust Super Cup & Junior Representative Program)
• Parramatta Junior League
• High Performance
• Player Wellbeing & Education
• Medical Support
• Facilities

It is anticipated that this project will take approximately eight weeks with recommendations to be considered by the Board and Football Department. Once the project is completed we will provide an update to our valued Members, fans and stakeholders.

At our core, we are a Football Club and we are totally committed to supporting our Rugby League programs with the very best resources and practices, and this project is another step in ensuring the Club is successful now and into the future.

Bernie Gurr

Chief Executive Officer

Parramatta National Rugby League Club Pty Limited

 

[TheRam]

There is absolutely no reports that dragons are only paying $250-300k this year - can you provide one ? Or did you make it up?

Anyhow found this report (and Ryan’s Mail is normally spot on) that says the dragons are paying Graham $600k this year:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cou...e/news-story/66add9309e249204aaf01e85449ff2df

Sorry I have just heard it on TV, from the like of guys like Kent and others. Sure you will say not a valid source, but these guys are right more times then not even though most don't want to acknowledge.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Sorry I have just heard it on TV, from the like of guys like Kent and others. Sure you will say not a valid source, but these guys are right more times then not even though most don't want to acknowledge.

They are but the jury is still out as to whether they actually said that.