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So going into last night's game Brisbane were not considered premiership material despite running 5th at the time? Ok then.

And you need to lighten up a bit. I wasnt defending 9 years of failure mate, simply having a dig at those posters on here who hang their every comment for every loss onto the coach and don't recognise the fact that lots of things go into winning a game of football. And yes, whilst the buck stops with the coach (as it should), there are also things outside of his control that can result in a loss or in the players not turning up and performing how we would expect and want.

Does that need to change? Yes.
Does it mean BA has to go? Probably.

Everyone on here knows some posters dont want BA here, we get it, we got it in round 2 FFS. The histrionics, the single-focus and the repetativeness of some posters is simply getting to be a bit over the top. And it isn't actually funny anymore but I guess it makes them feel good about themselves.

its not meant to be funny. I’m not saying it’s you but the Frustration comes from 9’years of excuses from the usual apologists and the club who accepts mediocrity. The club that rewards failure by renewing a contract that was not warranted. Fans are sick of hearing that making the 8 is a measure of success. Winning the premiership is the be all and end all. Anything else is f**king loser talk. That is the true measure. I’m not against BA being awarded another 5 year deal if he was to win a premiership. He’d deserve it. I like the bloke, he bleeds blue and gold but he’s just not good enough. The fact that a team can yo-yo like it does shows that he’s not up to it. And he’s had 9 years to prove it. Nothing has changed.
 

JokerEel

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I think I found the f**kwit that @Stevie has on ignore…
Yep Gutho to 6, Drown to 7 and either Perham, Simmonson or Russell flip a coin and any of them could play FB.

It's time to spin the magnets around and see what works and we are half a chance of salvaging something possibly.

Because sure as shit JA at 7 won't work against the big boys.

But we know what path BA will go down and in a way it should make the decision to punt him all the much easier if our season goes down the toilet.

We know it will be

6 Brown
7 Arthur

and for me that ends our season.

tbh even if it was

6. Gutho
7. Brown

it’s still over.

I was thinking the same
FFS Stevie who is is! Sure it's not EelsWith Numbers 🤔

Idiot..
 

Eelementary

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We can collectively try to offset the loss of Moses' long kicking game by asking Mahoney to kick more out of dummy-half, and even have Gutherson take longer kicks.

Between Mahoney, Brown, and Gutherson, we should be able to cope.

Add Jake in the mix, and it should only make things better.

I think the most glaring issue in Jake's game is that he is tentative, and nervous, and it is affecting his ability to make quick decisions.

If the team rallies behind him, and supports him, I think he will do his job.
 
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We can collectively try to offset the loss of Moses' long kicking game by asking Mahoney to kick more out of dummy-half, and even have Gutherson take longer kicks.

Between Mahoney, Brown, and Gutherson, we should be able to cope.

Add Jake in the mix, and it should only make things better.

I think the most glaring issue in Jake's game is that he is tentative, and nervous, and it is affecting his ability to make quick decisions.

If the team rallies behind him, and supports him, I think he will do his job.
All those idiots booing him should be ashamed. Hopefully he does well. I don’t think he’s up to it at this stage of his career but we have nobody else really.
 

TheRam

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What's your thoughts Ram on who should play halfback with Moses out.
I'm hearing the Storm will sign Tapau. And a back before deadline.
We will promote someone within.

Late to the dance once again

How we left it to the final hour to sign a player from a club that still has finals aspirations is beyond me. There are so many players that we could have looked at for a loan only situation from clubs that have no chance of making the 8 and made a deal with that club if need be. A kind of quid pro quo situation that you lend us your quality player now and in the future lend you one of our quality players if we are out of finals contention and you have a shot or even a Harry Grant/Tigers type of scenario.

I kind of hinted at it a few months back when I suggested we look at signing Semi for a cameo just before the Aug 1 deadline but Gronk swooped in on me like the rabies infected bat that he is and wrongly shut me down telling me that August 1 was a one off due to covid and won't be happening again. But as usual the bonehead had no idea.

It may sound crazy, but I hear that this August 1 late signing deadline is here to stay, so you watch how all the smart clubs are going to start work out ways going forward to get at least one or two top flight players into their roster and really bump up their chances.

We should have been way more pro active on this, I have been waiting and watching this space for a couple of months hoping we would somehow be smarter then they other clubs for once and announce a star signing right at the death of the deadline and stun our opponents. But all we have done is taken a half arsed shot at a sort of good signing in Tapau who is playing for a club that would be stupid to let him go considering their position.

If the Storm somehow swoop in under our noses and nab him then we are an absolute useless joke of a club. I mean these overtures should have been in the works for at least a month or two. We should have made a short list of our preferred targets and what we can afford, I'm presuming we have around up to $200K free to spend and therefore a player who is normally valued at around $700-800K in August 1 would be affordable and our $200K would be enough to secure him for the rest of the season.

I mean look at the endless options of forwards we could have made a play at -

Adin Fonua-Blake
Bunty Afoa
Tohu Harris
Jarrod Wallace
Tino Fa'asuamaleaui
Klema Tuilagi
Raymond Faitala-Mariner
Tavita Pangai Junior
Daniel Saifiti
Jacob Saifiti
David Klemmer
Mat Croker
Mitchell Barnett
Tyson Frizell

I went with mostly experienced players so as they are proven and would not be over oared in the big games and will relish having a chance to play finals again where it was only a dream prior to our offer. Also I am focussing on forwards because I think that we are getting out muscled to often when we aren't primed for a big game and keep losing the ruck to often. Obviously my wet dream preference out of that lot would be Tino, who is brilliant on or off the ball, but anyone of them would give us a massive injection of quality and bolster our bench significantly.

But instead of our clubs brains trust turning no stone unturned, what do they do? Have a shot at a player that his current club will want to keep for obvious reasons. We should have been working on possible loan style players and whispering sweet lovelies into their ears ages ago. One at least would have jumped at the idea of playing with a formidable pack and a genuine shot at a title opportunity out of the blue when all was lost for his regular club weeks ago.

Oh well what else can I say. The apologists will no doubt make the typical and predictable excuses as to why we didn't or that no club would be willing to release a quality player on loan to us, but that is just nonsense. There is an upside to both parties(salary cap relief for them) and then if the player becomes upset with his current club for denying him the opportunity, especially if he misses out and sees another player get that same opportunity and wins a GF, it may cause major discontent and disharmony for those two parties down the tract. It would actually be in the targeted players current club's best interest to loan the player out and we could exploit this situation if we were smart enough, but obviously we are not.

As for who I would have in for Moses injury? 1 Russell, 6 Gutho and 7 Brown as I have mentioned in more detail in my previous post.

Just my thoughts.
 

Poupou Escobar

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The fact is we lose to the lower team more often than not
I think this is demonstrably untrue. We are currently 12 and 7. Our record against teams below us on the ladder is 9 and 4. This means we win twice as often as we lose against the lower team.

We are 3 and 3 against teams above us.
 

strider

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So apparently the NRL does NOT have a real loan system in place .... so players under contract must actually end their current contract, make a new one for the "loan" period, then create a new contract with the original club again ...... and apparently thats a deterrant f to it happening cos its a) a pain in the arse, b) because theres new contracts involved the manager/club sees the chance and want to get something from it.

They also mentioned on radio yesterday that the sticking point of Tapau to parra is Manly/Des dont want to give a player to a rival vying for the top 8 spots .... wouldnt melbourne be in the same boat?
 

Soren Lorenson

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signing in Tapau who is playing for a club that would be stupid to let him go considering their position.

If the Storm somehow swoop in under our noses and nab him then we are an absolute useless joke of a club.

But instead of our clubs brains trust turning no stone unturned, what do they do? Have a shot at a player that his current club will want to keep for obvious reasons.

f**ken hell Ram, you whinged about Melbourne possibly signing Marty, then complained later about us going after a player whose club doesn't want to let him go. Which one merkin? Settle down and proof read your posts.
 

TheRam

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That's what I would like to see

But another alternative would be

1. Guth
6. Matto
7. Dyl

11 marata
13 ice

We don't use our bench for long periods anyway so better give marata more time.

At least he is proven at nrl level

Then nrown in for marata

Now nrown is sorted at the dogs, there is no point holding him back

Admittedly, I've never seen matto kick but you never know. He was a half in the old days

They read somewhere they say paulo is a really good kicker but he would probably kick the ball from commbank to Accor stadium and they'll lose the ball

I wouldn't weaken our forwards when there is options of moving genuine backs in and around to play in more familiar roles. I also think Matto is way bigger now then when he was and 18-20 year old and would not be as suited to 5/8th as much now. Sure move him there if injury happens during a game if needed, but we are talking about 2 or up to 4 games here. Better to stick to playing seasoned backs in their more familiar roles.
 

Soren Lorenson

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I wouldn't weaken our forwards when there is options of moving genuine backs in and around to play in more familiar roles. I also think Matto is way bigger now then when he was and 18-20 year old and would not be as suited to 5/8th as much now. Sure move him there if injury happens during a game if needed, but we are talking about 2 or up to 4 games here. Better to stick to playing seasoned backs in their more familiar roles.
Much better.
 

emjaycee

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its not meant to be funny. I’m not saying it’s you but the Frustration comes from 9’years of excuses from the usual apologists and the club who accepts mediocrity. The club that rewards failure by renewing a contract that was not warranted. Fans are sick of hearing that making the 8 is a measure of success. Winning the premiership is the be all and end all. Anything else is f**king loser talk. That is the true measure. I’m not against BA being awarded another 5 year deal if he was to win a premiership. He’d deserve it. I like the bloke, he bleeds blue and gold but he’s just not good enough. The fact that a team can yo-yo like it does shows that he’s not up to it. And he’s had 9 years to prove it. Nothing has changed.
Actually, there has been changes. Agreed, not to the results at the end of the year as yet but changes nonetheless.

For example, would we have gotten within a dodgy penalty call of the premiers in the second week of the semis in 2019 or earlier like we did last year? That was improvement and change. Were we being talked about as a serious contentender and being in our 'premiership window' before 2020, nope - we were labelled flat-track bullies. There has been change and there has been improvement but sometimes it takes a while for that change to show itself as consistent performances and a lot less f**ken yo-yoing. And I get that 9 years is long enough, especially after we have waited for over 35 years.

Our club and our squad are a shit load better than we were 4 years ago. In fact, this is evident by the frustration that comes from all fans these days because I know that in previous years, I for one wouldnt have walked into CommBank on Friday night with any hope that we would be competitive against the premiers who have won 58 of their last 64 regular season games, let alone dreaming that we could beat them... but I did. So our expectations have increased (and our frustrations when we lose or dont perform well) and that is on the back of improvement.

No one accepts mediocrity, some of us just realise that we are still not the best run, the best financed, the best coached, the best sponsored team in the comp. And we accept that because of that, we have limitations. And it sux.
A bit like when you get back from your honeymoon with the most gorgeous woman you have ever met, to find out that your best mate just got hitched to Jennifer Hawkins.

I am lucky enough to know some people within the club and trust me, the 'club' isnt accepting mediocrity. They are constantly making changes in an attempt to find the missing ingredient. We just dont always see these changes in the public and on the field.
 

hindy111

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So going into last night's game Brisbane were not considered premiership material despite running 5th at the time? Ok then.

And you need to lighten up a bit. I wasnt defending 9 years of failure mate, simply having a dig at those posters on here who hang their every comment for every loss onto the coach and don't recognise the fact that lots of things go into winning a game of football. And yes, whilst the buck stops with the coach (as it should), there are also things outside of his control that can result in a loss or in the players not turning up and performing how we would expect and want.

Does that need to change? Yes.
Does it mean BA has to go? Probably.

Everyone on here knows some posters dont want BA here, we get it, we got it in round 2 FFS. The histrionics, the single-focus and the repetativeness of some posters is simply getting to be a bit over the top. And it isn't actually funny anymore but I guess it makes them feel good about themselves.

I did a detailed write up on them. There is not enough experience in the spine bar Reynolds. They have the potential to play great or be off and not even compete.
Manly won't play finals. But if did and Turbo fit they are better chance. Eels are a better chance.
I'd say Brisbane are the lowest chance of any side that will finish in the top 8. They will cop a hiding in one game imo.
 

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