Rumours and Stuff

[Twizzle]

So if we can't match the dogs TPAs for Moses, should we use cap space to meet the dog's offer and pay overs?

what have they offered Moses ?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Pou, would George Williams + To'o cover for losing Moses?

Maybe? Our kicking game obviously wouldn't be as good but our exit sets would be the bomb. I guess it would be like losing our biggest strength to shore up our biggest attacking weakness. Plus Williams is a better defender than Moses, so defence would improve.

Also, To'o would mean fewer runs required from Paulo and RCG, which would improve our defence as well.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

what have they offered Moses ?

We are dealing with hypotheticals here. Obviously we'll never know their offer or ours. Perhaps he'll go there for unders?

 

[Twizzle]

We are dealing with hypotheticals here. Obviously we'll never know their offer or ours. Perhaps he'll go there for unders?

well if we are talking hypotheticals, then perhaps he wont

 

[yy_cheng]

Maybe? Our kicking game obviously wouldn't be as good but our exit sets would be the bomb. I guess it would be like losing our biggest strength to shore up our biggest attacking weakness. Plus Williams is a better defender than Moses, so defence would improve.

Also, To'o would mean fewer runs required from Paulo and RCG, which would improve our defence as well.

I think with our ageing forward pack and the higher number of minutes they play, we should really start targetting some back 5 who can really ruck out.

To'o would be one

Sivo isnt actually too bad but he just doesn't get involved enough. The coaching staff should tell him to get off his wing and get to the other side to help out. But in saying that, i believe it is his last year next year.


Hopefully Dunster can improve his rucking out as well. Simonssen and Russell I don't think will improve their rucking out dramatically.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

well if we are talking hypotheticals, then perhaps he wont

Hypothetically, there is no chance he would leave for unders. It was a joke. I doubt he would even stay for unders, at his age.

 

[Twizzle]

Hypothetically, there is no chance he would leave for unders. It was a joke. I doubt he would even stay for unders, at his age.

Hypothetically, anything could happen

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe, but not everything is equally likely.

 

[the phantom menace]

And not being equally likely doesn't equal no chance...

 

[Gazzamatta]

Mate, I want Moses and Drown to stay with my team slowly transitioning to

1. Drown
6. Guth
7. Moses

But if the Dogs or Cats offer too much in particular with TPA, will MON match it?

I doubt it depending on the difference. He didn't match it with Paps, Mahoney or Marata.

We have alot of money tied up in our Props and Guth and you could probably add Matto to that list.

So without a good pack, Moses can only kick our way out but we will still struggle.

Moses can be replaced by maybe

To'o, George Williams and another good rucker outer. Then his long kicking game is not so required.

If dogs steal Moses, we can also try and steal Burton and his kicking game will cover Moses. If we manage to keep Drown, he will be our attacking threat.

So we might give Moses $1.2M max. Say we need to goto $1.4M to match the dogs, then

To'o, Williams combined might be cheaper

Fair enough but Matto ended up getting a big deal, Gutho got an increase and we were then prepared to pay big for Ice and we even upped our offer for Rheed. The trick is to recognise their worth to the team and dont play silly buggers. I feel there is an element of undervaluing players and pis*ing them off initially with offers that offend. There are no players in the club even remotely capable of filling Drowns or Moses spot even though some may believe otherwise.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

There are no players in the club even remotely capable of filling Drowns or Moses spot even though some may believe otherwise.

No-one believes otherwise Gaz

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And not being equally likely doesn't equal no chance...

Making an assessment on what the chances are is a judgment for each man to make for himself. We’ll never know the truth. These things aren’t falsifiable, so we are dealing with opinion. If a trusted source like the Guardian tells you anything about it, it is just their opinion too. There’s no need to question some things and not others, as though some opinions are the truth. If you want to keep playing this stupid game I’m happy to chase you around demanding proof. Be careful.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Fair enough but Matto ended up getting a big deal, Gutho got an increase and we were then prepared to pay big for Ice and we even upped our offer for Rheed. The trick is to recognise their worth to the team and dont play silly buggers. I feel there is an element of undervaluing players and pis*ing them off initially with offers that offend. There are no players in the club even remotely capable of filling Drowns or Moses spot even though some may believe otherwise.

The ‘well run’ clubs also have players off contract for 2024, and they also lose top 17 players. If they never offered unders they would never be able to assemble strong squads. Negotiation means you start low. If players are offended at that they aren’t the professionals you want at your club.

 

[Gazzamatta]

The ‘well run’ clubs also have players off contract for 2024, and they also lose top 17 players. If they never offered unders they would never be able to assemble strong squads. Negotiation means you start low. If players are offended at that they aren’t the professionals you want at your club.

Like everything in life. There are people better than others. Offering unders as the start point of negotiations is a ridiculous tactic and not part of any professionals approach if the end game is to secure the signature.

 

[the phantom menace]

Hypothetically, there is no chance he would leave for unders. It was a joke. I doubt he would even stay for unders, at his age.

Hypothetically, anything could happen

Maybe, but not everything is equally likely.

And not being equally likely doesn't equal no chance...

QED.

Making an assessment on what the chances are is a judgment for each man to make for himself. We’ll never know the truth. These things aren’t falsifiable, so we are dealing with opinion. If a trusted source like the Guardian tells you anything about it, it is just their opinion too. There’s no need to question some things and not others, as though some opinions are the truth. If you want to keep playing this stupid game I’m happy to chase you around demanding proof. Be careful.

That escalated quickly, from a post just closing the loop on your evident circular logic nonsense posts

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Like everything in life. There are people better than others. Offering unders as the start point of negotiations is a ridiculous tactic and not part of any professionals approach if the end game is to secure the signature.

Of course it is. These are footy players. They’re ultimately worth whatever they accept, and you don’t know exactly what that is at the start of negotiations. Why offer $700k if he might accept $500k? Why offer $1.2M when $1M might be enough?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

QED.

That escalated quickly, from a post just closing the loop on your evident circular logic nonsense posts

There’s nothing circular about it. I’ve established it’s hypothetical and that I think there’s no chance he will go to Canterbury for unders. From there any attempts to twist my words are just bullshit from a dickhead trying to play games yet again.

 

[IFR33K]

Mate, I want Moses and Drown to stay with my team slowly transitioning to

1. Drown
6. Guth
7. Moses

But if the Dogs or Cats offer too much in particular with TPA, will MON match it?

I doubt it depending on the difference. He didn't match it with Paps, Mahoney or Marata.

We have alot of money tied up in our Props and Guth and you could probably add Matto to that list.

So without a good pack, Moses can only kick our way out but we will still struggle.

Moses can be replaced by maybe

To'o, George Williams and another good rucker outer. Then his long kicking game is not so required.

If dogs steal Moses, we can also try and steal Burton and his kicking game will cover Moses. If we manage to keep Drown, he will be our attacking threat.

So we might give Moses $1.2M max. Say we need to goto $1.4M to match the dogs, then

To'o, Williams combined might be cheaper

we’ve waited how many years since sterling retired, to find a good 7, and now you think Moses is replaceable?

 

[the phantom menace]

There’s nothing circular about it. I’ve established it’s hypothetical and that I think there’s no chance he will go to Canterbury for unders. From there any attempts to twist my words are just bullshit from a dickhead trying to play games yet again.

No-one's twisting your words. In the above chain of four posts, two people have replied to you... with civility. But as they say, if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen then maybe it's time to take a break from cooking?

 

[lucablight]

The ‘well run’ clubs also have players off contract for 2024, and they also lose top 17 players. If they never offered unders they would never be able to assemble strong squads. Negotiation means you start low. If players are offended at that they aren’t the professionals you want at your club.

Do you think the Panthers, Storm, Roosters, Sharks and Cowboys and Rabbitohs (i.e the other finals sides from last season) will be losing any of the halves that they want to keep?