Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Sure, they can be charged...but then they will barely cop a slap on the wrist from the courts anyway, so what's the point.

That slap on the wrist is career death. Wiggers don't want to be stacking shelves to put their kids through Newington.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm not actually sure they could be charged like Seward was, as Manly is privately owned. Manly would be both the victim and beneficiary of any similar crime.

Financial transactions need to be recorded. There are tax implications.

 

[T.S Quint]

That slap on the wrist is career death. Wiggers don't want to be stacking shelves to put their kids through Newington.

Maybe a massive reward for whistleblowers isn't a bad idea then.
$5 million for anyone who comes forward with info which leads to clubs getting busted. Who's going to turn down that kind of cash?
The fine goes towards the reward.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Maybe a massive reward for whistleblowers isn't a bad idea then.
$5 million for anyone who comes forward with info which leads to clubs getting busted. Who's going to turn down that kind of cash?
The fine goes towards the reward.

Had the same idea but not seriously. The NRL don't want to find cheats.

 

[Chipmunk]

If they got involved in false invoicing etc, they could certainly be charged. But there's no suggestion that has happened

The victim would still have to be the one who reports the false invoices to the police. The victim in Manly's instance will also be the beneficiary of the potential crime.

 

[T.S Quint]

Had the same idea but not seriously. The NRL don't want to find cheats.

Yeah, I don't think they do either.
They'll do something if they have to, when information is literally put under their noses, but they will rarely actively go and look for it.

 

[Chipmunk]

If that's true then how does any privately owned company ever get charged with fraud?

Companies don't get charges with fraud. Individual people do

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

And can a private company pay funny buggers with their books as long as they've paid the right amount of tax? Probably not I guess, as any potential buyers would be screwed.

 

[Happy MEel]

Beat me to it.

True, but you used the correct quoting etiquette rendering my post null and void.

 

[Chipmunk]

Financial transactions need to be recorded. There are tax implications.

No one claimed that Seward didnt record transactions.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe a massive reward for whistleblowers isn't a bad idea then.
$5 million for anyone who comes forward with info which leads to clubs getting busted. Who's going to turn down that kind of cash?
The fine goes towards the reward.

It might be worth something to the NRL to catch cheats, but do you reckon it's worth five million?

 

[T.S Quint]

True, but you used the correct quoting etiquette rendering my post null and void.

Noob.

 

[T.S Quint]

It might be worth something to the NRL to catch cheats, but do you reckon it's worth five million?

Probably not.
That was just a number I threw out off the top of my head.
I think $1 million (the size of the highest fine the NRL has dished out) is more realistic...but then who is going to screw over their own career for only that much.

 

[Chipmunk]

And can a private company pay funny buggers with their books as long as they've paid the right amount of tax? Probably not I guess, as any potential buyers would be screwed.

Sewards issue was that the Parramatta club invoiced companies for services that didnt occur. So when the Directors of the entity changed, the new Directors called in the police.

If Im not mistaken, Manly is now 100% owned by the Penn family. The Penn family would have to be the ones who report the matter to the police. If they knew nothing about it. Im sure they would.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No one claimed that Seward didnt record transactions.

No, but if Manly didn't record them then the victim is the state government.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It might be worth something to the NRL to catch cheats, but do you reckon it's worth five million?

No, but even a tenth of that could be very tempting. And given the size of the fines for cheating, even cost effective. Won't happen though.

 

[Chipmunk]

No, but if Manly didn't record them then the victim is the state government.

How so?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

The victim would still have to be the one who reports the false invoices to the police. The victim in Manly's instance will also be the beneficiary of the potential crime.

In all likelihood that may be how it works out. But a scheme to rort the cap can (in principle) impose a harm on third parties (i.e the other clubs and the NRL)

 

[Chipmunk]

In all likelihood that may be how it works out. But a scheme to rort the cap can (in principle) impose a harm on third parties (i.e the other clubs and the NRL)

That third party victim would still have to report it the police and the police would have to obtain sufficient evidence that the DPP would be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a loss was caused to the third party.

I'd say the police and DPP would tell the Clubs and NRL that we're not your internal salary cap police force, go and sort it out yourself.

 

[emjaycee]

WTF? The offer of a moratorium would have been nice last year you pricks!!

There were 2 Parra Directors who continually wanted to come forward and self-report (that's what triggers the moratorium) and they were out voted each time.... allegedly.