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Poupou Escobar

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To be fair Jake was starting 7 for Blacktown until he was injured. Humphreys had been playing 9 and they have now let him go to Souths.

I wish Jake all the best, absolutely terrific kid. Not his fault his old man picked him way before he was ready…..His brother can get f*cked though.
Agreed but Jake can get f**ked too. He chose to leave.
 

Poupou Escobar

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I'm surprised people have an issue with Matt Arthur.

Surely this was ever going to be the only outcome once we punted his father.

You can't have your cake and eat it to.

The reality is at his stage of development means he's not ready to be a credible option as the first choice 9 this year, won't be a credible option to be the first choice next year, and very unlikely he'll even be ready the year after that. And this is a position we not a capable player right now...

It's a good time to cut our losses and just move on.
He’s definitely good enough to be a backup already, just like Hands and Lussick. The difference is Arthur’s age means he is a very good chance of becoming a genuine first grader.
 

Chipmunk

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He’s definitely good enough to be a backup already, just like Hands and Lussick. The difference is Arthur’s age means he is a very good chance of becoming a genuine first grader.
We.dont need another back up 9 though. We have 2 others already.

It's irrelevant if he becomes a genuine first grader or even an immortal. You can't have your cake and eat it to. We punted his father then we had to be prepared for this outcome.
 

lucablight

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The $1.25m contract black holes hurting battling NRL clubs​

Parramatta will move away from offering player options as part of future contract negotiations as it emerged that struggling NRL clubs are each paying an average of $1.25 million per season to rivals to offload out-of-favour footballers.

The Eels are preparing to usher in a new era under incoming coach Jason Ryles, who has just finished his commitments as an assistant coach at Melbourne. Ryles’ priority is to refreshen the Eels staff and roster, along with the retention of Blaize Talagi.

The talented teen has been offered a three-year deal and the opportunity to replace Clint Gutherson as fullback.
Talagi is expected to meet with his agent to discuss the Parramatta offer and interest from clubs including the Dragons and Knights.

Talagi is on the open market after knocking back an option in his contract to stay put, with several of his teammates having similar clauses in their favour. The Eels have drawn criticism for giving eight of their stars an “option” in their contract, the majority of which are in the favour of the player.

The practice has clouded the long-term future of their biggest assets, halves Dylan Brown and Mitchell Moses, as well as other key members of the squad.

Few NRL players are contracted as long as Brown, whose deal could tie him to Parramatta until the end of 2031. However, the Kiwi international can decide in early 2025 whether he wants to leave or trigger an option to remain for the 2026-27 seasons. Even if he stays, the speculation over Brown’s future will soon ramp up again - he will need to make a call in early 2027 whether to stay beyond then.

Moses, meanwhile, will remain in blue and gold until 2026, before deciding whether to take up options for the following seasons.

While there has been ongoing speculation about which contracted players Ryles will move on, only Ryan Matterson and Maika Sivo have so far been told they can look elsewhere. Both have taken up options to remain on the books, meaning Parramatta will have to pay some of their freight to make them a financially attractive option for a rival.

Another big name, centre Will Penisini, has an option in his favour beyond next season, while Shaun Lane and Haze Dunster have mutual options in their deals.

In the future, Parramatta is expected to move towards “vanilla” contracts to ensure players don’t have the whip hand.
“You always need to be able to manage your roster to maintain your ability to make decisions and not be paralysed,” said Eels chief executive Jim Sarantinos.

“We always need to make sure we have a very strong focus on that. If that means, in the future, limiting the number of player options - particularly the number of player options that come up at the same time - then that’s what we will do.”

Whether the Eels will find takers for Matterson and Sivo - and whether other players will be tapped on the shoulder - remains to be seen. Moving them on will come at a cost, one that has been onerous on clubs at the bottom of the ladder.

According to an NRL benchmarking document disseminated to all clubs, the bottom four teams spent an average of $1.243 million each in “freight”, the amount paid to a rival to get them off the books. That contrasts with the $479,000 that a top-four team paid on average to shift an unwanted player.
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While Ryles will require time to shape a roster of his choosing, Talagi’s signature remains a priority.

“Blaize and his family know how deeply we care for him,” Sarantinos said.
“We would love him to be at the club long term. We think he has a big future, and we believe that is with our club.”
One Eel set to move on is Matt Arthur. The son of sacked coach Brad Arthur has asked for permission to speak to other clubs and Parramatta haven’t stood in his way.
“While we would love to see him stay at the Eels, we understand the unique circumstances involved with this request and our decision to grant permission to negotiate with other clubs is based on compassionate grounds,” Sarantinos said.

I want to know if Pou still thinks player options are a good thing now that the club has come out and said they don’t want to do them anymore.
 

Poupou Escobar

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We.dont need another back up 9 though. We have 2 others already.

It's irrelevant if he becomes a genuine first grader or even an immortal. You can't have your cake and eat it to. We punted his father then we had to be prepared for this outcome.
Yeah short term he doesn’t add anything to the squad, and it’s in the short term that we need solutions.
 

lucablight

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Did the club say that? I don’t believe it. What’s changed since they offered these terms? And why do bigger clubs than ours have them?

In the future, Parramatta is expected to move towards “vanilla” contracts to ensure players don’t have the whip hand.
“You always need to be able to manage your roster to maintain your ability to make decisions and not be paralysed,” said Eels chief executive Jim Sarantinos.

“We always need to make sure we have a very strong focus on that. If that means, in the future, limiting the number of player options - particularly the number of player options that come up at the same time - then that’s what we will do.”



Before anyone says the club didn’t say they don’t want to do player options anymore let’s examine the subtext and not play semantics.
 

hineyrulz

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Did the club say that? I don’t believe it. What’s changed since they offered these terms? And why do bigger clubs than ours have them?
leaf blower spinning GIF
 

Twizzle

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In the future, Parramatta is expected to move towards “vanilla” contracts to ensure players don’t have the whip hand.
“You always need to be able to manage your roster to maintain your ability to make decisions and not be paralysed,” said Eels chief executive Jim Sarantinos.

so, a hypothetical

Ryles negotiate with Angus Crighton to play for Eels for 4 years with a PO for the 5th

Will Sarantinos not sign off on it as we don't do POs anymore ?
 

Gronk

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I am young-ish for some of this board (37). I follow Parra because my Dad played in their [Edit clarity] in Moree, NSW team (under 17s that were undefeated for 5 seasons) in the dinosaur years before a stint at Parra feeder.

For the first time after 15 years, I just don't care. Like I just don't anymore. Already have to wait till 2025 to start all over again when we were in a GF 2 years prior. I don't get it. I don't get this club. And my dad who's 76 will likely never see a new premiership.

Sorry, not much to this, just needed to vent.
I'm in a bit of a rut too mate.

I like the idea of change and new beginnings, but FFS it should coincide with our once in a decade juniors being part of it. Not only do we have an aging roster with long deals, but the 1, 6/7 and 9 that we have all been so excited about will or are likely to play for other clubs next year.

Our fall from grace in just 18 months from GF is catastrophic.

Don't @ me merkins with your political BS. Just join me in a wake at the LU bar.
 

lingard

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I said they take up an import slot, of which I think ESL clubs have about six. Failing that they need UK citizenship. Prior to Brexit they could’ve had any EU passport, as well as countries designated in the Cotonou Agreement, which includes Pacific states like Fiji, Samoa and Tonga (but not Australia or NZ).

Theoretically, the ESL could still allow merkins with EU/etc passports to bypass foreign player limits, assuming they can get work permits. Non-UK players are still overrepresented in the Premier League, for example.
Ah! Now I get it.
 

oldmancraigy

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so, a hypothetical

Ryles negotiate with Angus Crighton to play for Eels for 4 years with a PO for the 5th

Will Sarantinos not sign off on it as we don't do POs anymore ?

If I read the article correctly, he doesn't say we won't do them anymore, but that we will move away from them as a general rule.

Very strongly suggests that we stuffed it by having so many - either an interesting observation from the guy who is ultimately responsible for signing off on these things, OR a suggestion that there is a recognition that the direction wasn't right, new leadership = new ways forward.
 

Matty Bhoy

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I'm in a bit of a rut too mate.

I like the idea of change and new beginnings, but FFS it should coincide with our once in a decade juniors being part of it. Not only do we have an aging roster with long deals, but the 1, 6/7 and 9 that we have all been so excited about will or are likely to play for other clubs next year.

Our fall from grace in just 18 months from GF is catastrophic.

Don't @ me merkins with your political BS. Just join me in a wake at the LU bar.


I’m in a far different headspace tbh. I’m completely onboard the Ryles Revolution. Shame to lose some promising juniors but I’m not taking Sanders over Moses in a month of Sundays.

MA I couldn’t care less about. You don’t want to be here, I don’t want you here. I guarantee Ryles is firmer on this than anyone else. Buy in, or fk off.

Would love to keep Talagi but the same applies.

Add to that the fact we have a ton of players coming off contract, it’s damn exciting times. I’m more positive about things right now than at any time since kick off in the 2022 GF.
 

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