Ryan Atkins for Wales

[Evil Homer]

So when these players play for the states/Aust schoolboys BEFORE the minnow they are being coerced?

That's completely irrelevant. It's crazy that you still can't see the issue here. Origin is taking players away from the international player pool. There are players who would be playing international footy for other nations if Origin didn't exist. That's a problem because it means Origin is hurting the international game. It's nothing to do with players switching nations or playing for other nations or playing junior reps for Australia or anything else. It's to do with Origin taking players out of the international game. If Ryan Atkins wants to play for Wales and Jarryd Hayne wants to play for Australia etc then fine, let them. But if there are blokes sitting out internationals because they want to play Origin then that's wrong.

 

[franklin2323]

That's completely irrelevant. It's crazy that you still can't see the issue here. Origin is taking players away from the international player pool. There are players who would be playing international footy for other nations if Origin didn't exist. That's a problem because it means Origin is hurting the international game. It's nothing to do with players switching nations or playing for other nations or playing junior reps for Australia or anything else. It's to do with Origin taking players out of the international game. If Ryan Atkins wants to play for Wales and Jarryd Hayne wants to play for Australia etc then fine, let them. But if there are blokes sitting out internationals because they want to play Origin then that's wrong.

How is it irrelevant you say they are coerced. I prove they have always been QLD or NSW players and that's still not good enough. They are only eligible for these other countries in the 1st place by very loose laws.

 

[hutch]

Segeyaro is the latest.

There's one. Even though he moved to Aus aged 7 and played for junior kangaroos first and I'm not sure he ever played a full test for png. I agree, he should play for png and shouldn't be eligible for qld/Aus as he made that choice and should be forced to stick with it. Who else would be playing for other nations if origin didn't exist? Probably tamou, anyone else? Where are all these players from other countries Australia are holding at random?

 

[franklin2323]

There's one. Even though he moved to Aus aged 7 and played for junior kangaroos first and I'm not sure he ever played a full test for png. I agree, he should play for png and shouldn't be eligible for qld/Aus as he made that choice and should be forced to stick with it. Who else would be playing for other nations if origin didn't exist? Probably tamou, anyone else? Where are all these players from other countries Australia are holding at random?

Seg's angry at the PNG management. That not SOO is what stopped him from playing for them. NZ has taken players from the islanders Tuiaki, Hurrell for starters.

 

[Evil Homer]

How is it irrelevant you say they are coerced. I prove they have always been QLD or NSW players and that's still not good enough. They are only eligible for these other countries in the 1st place by very loose laws.

It doesn't f**king matter where the players are from. He could be the most born-and-bred, true-blue Australian but if he's playing for another country and then stops playing for that country purely for the sake of playing SOO then that's a problem, because SOO is not an international fixture and has nothing to do with international footy. Of course someone like Milford is Australian, but he had chosen to play for Samoa, he wasn't called up by the Australia national team so he was free to play for Samoa in last year's Four Nations but he sat the tournament out, not because he'd decided he wanted to represent Australia from now on but because he wanted to play Origin next year. Do you understand what the problem with this is?

There's one. Even though he moved to Aus aged 7 and played for junior kangaroos first and I'm not sure he ever played a full test for png. I agree, he should play for png and shouldn't be eligible for qld/Aus as he made that choice and should be forced to stick with it. Who else would be playing for other nations if origin didn't exist? Probably tamou, anyone else? Where are all these players from other countries Australia are holding at random?

Milford sat out last year's 4N. Mateo sat out the World Cup. Eligible players choosing to play for Australia is NOT THE POINT. Players sitting out international matches because they want to play SOO is the point.

Look, I understand that it may be difficult for some of you Aussies to view things from an outside POV or whatever, it's easy for you to bury your heads in the sand and say that it doesn't really matter or there are only a couple of players or whatever. No, even if it's only one player then that's a fundamental problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[franklin2323]

:lol: what dribble. How dare Australia's want to play for their country! The fact the players can change freely is the issue here.

 

[deluded pom?]

:lol: what dribble. How dare Australia's want to play for their country!

That's EH's point. Very few of these dual qualified players ever claim they'd love to play for the Kangaroos. It's nearly always because they want to play Origin. Most would be happy to play international football for anyone they feel they are eligible for as long as they could still play Origin but the rules state they have to declare for Australia. How many of those disagreeing with EH were posting on here how competitive the Samoans were in the 4N?

 

[franklin2323]

How do we know they don't want to play for and would choose Aust If they had a nation for life? It's all speculation. As why did Atkins not play for Wales all this time? No one has the answers.

Players like Matagi etc have gone to NZ so hardly only SOO taking players off the international scene. Fact is Tonga & Samoa only ever seem to play heritage players.

I'd rather have a weak Samoa that builds up over time then a team of Aussie/kiwis who then change later. Sadly we have these loose rules in place.

 

[Bronco Rob]

There's one. Even though he moved to Aus aged 7 and played for junior kangaroos first and I'm not sure he ever played a full test for png. I agree, he should play for png and shouldn't be eligible for qld/Aus as he made that choice and should be forced to stick with it. Who else would be playing for other nations if origin didn't exist? Probably tamou, anyone else? Where are all these players from other countries Australia are holding at random?

Ben Teo, Josh Papali, Akila Uate, McManus to name a few. Even Ray Thompson for a while was hesitant in playing for PNG because he thought he may have been a chance to play for QLD.

But I think the new Origin eligibility rule is very timely but if Radrada is given any sort of dispensation then any credibility the ARLC had with International footy will be out the window for me.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

McManus has had every chance to play for Scotland and has not. Uate has been playing for Fiji. And for every nz born player playing for Australia there is at least one aus born player playing for nz.

 

[Evil Homer]

McManus has had every chance to play for Scotland and has not. Uate has been playing for Fiji.

That's the point. These players are free to play but are not doing so because they don't want to potentially jeopardize their Origin chances. If the ARL said they were free to play and it wouldn't affect their future chances of playing Origin then it would be problem solved.

 

[franklin2323]

McManus has had every chance to play for Scotland and has not. Uate has been playing for Fiji. And for every nz born player playing for Australia there is at least one aus born player playing for nz.

The whinging poms hate facts being brought into this. Hoffman, Nightingale Aust born yet chose NZ

The issue is the international rule that allows players to switch and change that's the problem not SOO

 

[Evil Homer]

The whinging poms hate facts being brought into this. Hoffman, Nightingale Aust born yet chose NZ

The issue is the international rule that allows players to switch and change that's the problem not SOO

NOBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT NON-AUSTRALIAN-BORN PLAYERS PLAYING FOR AUSTRALIA. How many f**king times do you need to be told this for it to sink in?

 

[franklin2323]

NOBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT NON-AUSTRALIAN-BORN PLAYERS PLAYING FOR AUSTRALIA. How many f**king times do you need to be told this for it to sink in?

Yet when Milford and Mateo etc don't play next week... You guys will be on about it again

 

[Evil Homer]

Yet when Milford and Mateo etc don't play next week... You guys will be on about it again

Look, if you legitimately can't understand the problem here, if you aren't being deliberately ignorant and seriously can't comprehend this topic even after having it explained to you numerous times then TBH you're beyond even trying to debate with. Enjoy your Origin and test footy.

 

[franklin2323]

Both were born in Australia yet get blasted on here for wanting to play for that country.

I will enjoy Fiji and PNG as they will actually have players born in those countries in the sides

 

[hutch]

Look, if you legitimately can't understand the problem here, if you aren't being deliberately ignorant and seriously can't comprehend this topic even after having it explained to you numerous times then TBH you're beyond even trying to debate with. Enjoy your Origin and test footy.

We understand what you're saying but you seem to be focusing on a handful of players who aren't playing for 'their country' because of state of origin and have zero to say about the multiple amounts of Australian born players playing for other countries or the NZ representitives who have tedious links to NZ. You are also assuming players who have played for other countries (such as Milford and mateo) would choose those countries over Australia if they could only play for one nation for life.

 

[franklin2323]

We understand what you're saying but you seem to be focusing on a handful of players who aren't playing for 'their country' because of state of origin and have zero to say about the multiple amounts of Australian born players playing for other countries or the NZ representitives who have tedious links to NZ. You are also assuming players who have played for other countries (such as Milford and mateo) would choose those countries over Australia if they could only play for one nation for life.

Nailed it. Look at this case. Why did Atkins choose England over Wales in the 1st place. I can see why we haven't got 1 nation for life hopefully that will change in the near future

 

[Son of Minto]

The Australian/Kiwi borns only play for other nations because they arent or werent a chance to get picked for Aus/NZ anyway.

 

[RedVee]

The Australian/Kiwi borns only play for other nations because they arent or werent a chance to get picked for Aus/NZ anyway.

And the managers tell them they can just switch back.