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Rich102

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Shaun Johnson is a once-in-a-generation player but Warriors and rugby league fans are wondering if the mercurial playmaker can get back to his best in the 2016 NRL season.

The halfback broke his ankle in the act of scoring a try against the Sea Eagles on July 25, which the Warriors lost 32-12, and from there the club lost their final eight games of the season to finish the season in 13th place. It was later confirmed after scans that he had fractured his fibula and suffered ligament damage while dislocating his ankle.

Johnson famously set the goal of being back for next month's Nines – a tournament that he has made his own in the past two years with his jinking unstoppable runs at the heart of the Warriors attack – but coach Andrew McFadden has said he will only play if he is ready. It seems he is.


At a hot and humid Warriors training this week, Johnson was running the show and looked comfortable with ball in hand but a bit hesitant taking the ball into contact in the restrained session.



"A lot of people were buzzing about seeing me run and step and stuff, but the bone has healed so I should be able to run. It is more up here now [he taps on his head]," he said.

"Getting tackled [is the big challenge]. Making tackles is all right but it is about trying to get your timing back and the techniques that you forget when you have had a lay-off. I am taking it slowly."

McFadden said their priority for Johnson was getting him back to full mobility.

"Shaun is feeling pretty good at the moment," said the head coach. "He is tracking well. He hasn't hit the top speeds that he has [in the past] consistently but he is pretty close."

Johnson's speed off the mark is his biggest asset. In a competition known for tight, uncompromising defence, the No 7 has made a knack of producing something out of nothing and is the club's most important player.


"No-one is like Shaun so things change," McFadden said of the team coping without him at the back end of 2015 when things unravelled following a spate of injuries to senior players.

Nicholas Gill, the All Blacks strength and conditioning coach, who worked with Daniel Carter in his rehabilitation from his Achilles injury and then a broken leg, said it was always unknown if great players could rediscover their peak form.

"It is always a big question mark whether these guys will get back to their best," he said.

Gill said the bone would have healed within two months and will be strong, it will be the tissues, the muscles and ligaments that need conditioning. It was unlikely a repeat injury would occur.

The ability to do everything right in rehabilitation, all the little things, determines the success of the recovery.

"You are always trying to get back to where you were or greater levels," he said.

"I think the good players often come back better because they have had more time to get in better shape and are refreshed mentally so there are positives."

Johnson, never one to lack in belief in his own ability, said he was feeling good.

"I am not as sharp as I was before the injury just yet but I don't see any reason why I can't be better than I was before."

Gill stressed that Warriors fans need to be patient with Johnson. He said the difficulty with an injury like he suffered is the significant amount of time off his feet.

"When you have a severe injury to one side of your body, you have detrained and deconditioned it so the hardest thing with Shaun is coming back balanced, not having lost conditioning on one side," he said.

Typically another injury occurs if the player is not balanced – it was common for players who have suffered severe trauma to one leg to pull a hamstring or another muscle on the other leg early in their comeback.

Gill said the Warriors support staff had done a great job with Johnson. The typical progression is getting back into contact slowly.

"And then it is a matter of him playing ball. Often the expectation is really difficult for a player. People can't expect him to be playing out of his skin – after a significant layoff very rarely can players do that. Some do but that is the hardest thing, the pressure to be at your best when you all you need is some time out on the field."

If Johnson is named in the Warriors Nines squad he will be the captain and spend the weekend in the spotlight at the heart of everything the team does.

The pin-up boy for the competition, who features in all the Nines promotional videos, knows there is huge pressure on him and the team to deliver.

"It is obviously a tournament that I love being a part of," he said. "It is important having it in Auckland, that the Warriors do well in it. We saw last year when we lost in the quarter that the stadium just empties when we lose. As a club we want to do well and put on a show. Hopefully I can be there."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league...hnson-get-back-to-his-best-in-2016-nrl-season
 

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He always was hesitant with physical contact. So nothing's changed there.
 

Shaun Hewitt

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If he is hesitant to run the ball, he shouldn't play nines. Simple as that.
The NRL season is where his bread and butter is, not the 9s.

I'd hate for him to be rushed into the 9s and not be ready and subsequently get injured//take a knock/set him back.
 

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he needs to get his confidence back, if fit he should play the 9's where he can be subbed and therefore managed in his comeback to playing contact.
 
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He always was hesitant with physical contact. So nothing's changed there.

Really? To my mind, SJ is now one of the better defending No.7s in the comp. He was solid in the line all season before going down. Bit of a stigma being attached to him with being hesitant with physical contact, in my view. He is now mid 90kgs, and both physically and mentally much stronger than he was.

And no doubt he'll be milky injury-wise (if only mentally) in January. Good thing the season starts in March. And he won't play 9s. Or he shouldn't.
 

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If he is hesitant to run the ball, he shouldn't play nines. Simple as that.
The NRL season is where his bread and butter is, not the 9s.

I'd hate for him to be rushed into the 9s and not be ready and subsequently get injured//take a knock/set him back.

Play the 9s I say. Easier gaps to take, if he breaks the line without a lot of damage it will only boost his confidence.
 

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Really? To my mind, SJ is now one of the better defending No.7s in the comp. He was solid in the line all season before going down. Bit of a stigma being attached to him with being hesitant with physical contact, in my view..

Have to agree with this. Even in 2014 he was getting a bad wrap, but seemed to be quite enthusiastic going into tackles. He may not make all of them, but he's definitely not shy about putting his body on the line.
 
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Plays 9's gets a minor injury eg hammy strain/tear, comes back round 10ish, makes his season 16 rounds long!
Much easier on him mentally than the 26-30week season.
Might be a blessing in disguise?
Much like his debut season when we made the grand final, coming in mid year.
Team learns to win without him with Luke and RTS.
 
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ZEROMISSTACKLES

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Have to agree with this. Even in 2014 he was getting a bad wrap, but seemed to be quite enthusiastic going into tackles. He may not make all of them, but he's definitely not shy about putting his body on the line.
He doesn't miss much tackles mate. I think you're mistaken for someone else. Check his stats, they're quite good on the defensive side.

Plays 9's gets a minor injury eg hammy strain/tear, comes back round 10ish, makes his season 16 rounds long!
Much easier on him mentally than the 26-30week season.
Might be a blessing in disguise?
Much like his debut season when we made the grand final, coming in mid year.
Team learns to win without him with Luke and RTS.
It's best for him not to get injured at all. When one says they're back from injury and they feel great, they're never really 100%.

Team needs to gel with him in it. They need to build that chemistry to become a good team and not just a team of superstars.

The Warrior could do what I suspect the All Blacks dId with Dan Carter when he was with the Crusaders and that's fake an injury. Especially on the games they feel they'll win easy, just rest him on those.

I think we're getting to that mentality that SJ is fragile and forgetting that injuries is possibility for ALL Warrior. We shouldn't worry about it till it happens. It could happen to Luke, RTS, Robson and not SJ for all we know.
 

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The chances of reinjury are slim. The risks are more around the muscles not being built up around the joint, or on the opposite leg which has worn the brunt while the other side was in recovery. He's better off getting a run under his belt if he's fit enough to go. The upside is getting some experience under his belt prior to round 1 in short sharp stints.
 

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A restrained session.

So was he hesitant or just restrained?

I imagine it will take a few games for him to mentally get back into it, but I'm not overly worried about him not being able to get back to his best.
 

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The chances of reinjury are slim. The risks are more around the muscles not being built up around the joint, or on the opposite leg which has worn the brunt while the other side was in recovery. He's better off getting a run under his belt if he's fit enough to go. The upside is getting some experience under his belt prior to round 1 in short sharp stints.

Well thank you Dr Iafeta of Shortland Street Hospital for your injury diagnosis of horny Shauny.

I reckon the forum moderators should give us medals to give out.
I imagine it will take a few games for him to mentally get back into it, but I'm not overly worried about him not being able to get back to his best.
Why aren't you worried about him getting back to his best? Mate we want SJ at his zig zag best. Come on faithy..
 
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Plays 9's gets a minor injury eg hammy strain/tear, comes back round 10ish, makes his season 16 rounds long!
Much easier on him mentally than the 26-30week season.
Might be a blessing in disguise?
Much like his debut season when we made the grand final, coming in mid year.
Team learns to win without him with Luke and RTS.

Cant agree with that Smithy. Look how crap we were last year with SJ injured. They learned nothing. Do we want to be 2-8 or 3-7 ish when he comes back? I know it's a different side but a halves combo of Robson/Leuluai isn't ideal at all to start a third of the year.

The way we make the 4 (therefore having a realistic chance to win the thing) is to be 8-2 or 7-3, with all our stars. Then we have our usual charmed run through Origin, and can spit out the back end in a good mental state to take on a home final.

The 9s is a carnival, and there's plenty of other attractions on our roster that can attend. Let him play 1-2 proper 13-man warm-ups. After all, that's the crux of his job - not trying to overplay his hand in a cut-down format for crowds.
 

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Cant agree with that Smithy. Look how crap we were last year with SJ injured. They learned nothing. Do we want to be 2-8 or 3-7 ish when he comes back? I know it's a different side but a halves combo of Robson/Leuluai isn't ideal at all to start a third of the year.
If it turns out Robson/Leuluai then it might not be so bad. I reckon with SJ away, we'll see earlier ball for RTS and then he'll ball play. SJ and Tompkins didn't gel like Cronk and Slater do anyway so not all is lost with SJ.

If HURRELL starts to unleash his power more often, then that will definitely make up the absence of SJ. HURRELL and RTS just need the ball and a platform.
 
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Really? To my mind, SJ is now one of the better defending No.7s in the comp. He was solid in the line all season before going down. Bit of a stigma being attached to him with being hesitant with physical contact, in my view. He is now mid 90kgs, and both physically and mentally much stronger than he was.

And no doubt he'll be milky injury-wise (if only mentally) in January. Good thing the season starts in March. And he won't play 9s. Or he shouldn't.

"Taking the ball into contact"

Not tackling.

He said his tackling his fine.

And yes his tackling has been fine for awhile now.

His taking the ball into contact has been weak as piss his entire career, unless a few meters from the line (like when he broke his ankle).

He has the size, speed, balance, power, and subtle foot work to bust through defenders. He so very rarely tries to though. If he did I think it would add another level to his game. A reasonably organized defensive line can sit off Johnson and drift out more easily knowing that Johnson will either pass it out or split sideways. If he tried punching through more (still with subtle footwork and in the right situations, aka not like a prop trying to barge through a brick wall) defenders would have to remain tighter and less able to slide out earlier. That would further open up his outside opportunities. And he would get through the line inside more than one would expect I reckon.

Or something like that.
 

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He's a halfback, not a prop.

He takes the line on, he has skill, footwork, ability to beat a defender/s.
Contact equates to too slow.
 

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I agree with DMC.
I think he plays too far from the defensive wall.
If you are going to put someone through a gap you can't do it 10 meters before the defence, they will have time to react.
The same with his kicking.
Too far in front of the defence and they have time to turn and get back in cover.
Watch Thurston. By the time he makes his play the defence has no time to react.
 

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"Taking the ball into contact"

Not tackling.

He said his tackling his fine.

And yes his tackling has been fine for awhile now.

His taking the ball into contact has been weak as piss his entire career, unless a few meters from the line (like when he broke his ankle).

He has the size, speed, balance, power, and subtle foot work to bust through defenders. He so very rarely tries to though. If he did I think it would add another level to his game. A reasonably organized defensive line can sit off Johnson and drift out more easily knowing that Johnson will either pass it out or split sideways. If he tried punching through more (still with subtle footwork and in the right situations, aka not like a prop trying to barge through a brick wall) defenders would have to remain tighter and less able to slide out earlier. That would further open up his outside opportunities. And he would get through the line inside more than one would expect I reckon.

Or something like that.

Let's see..
- SJ running it more, great. Might be seen as greedy but in accordance with your strategy the bigger picture is a process which tests the defense and should see the outsides with ideal attacking situations
- Simple. Simple for the attack that it is. League's a simple game strategy wise
- Low risk of turnover (e.g drop ball, miscommunication)
Overall I think it's a great idea

He's a halfback, not a prop.

He takes the line on, he has skill, footwork, ability to beat a defender/s.
Contact equates to too slow.

That's the thing, the contact aye.

I agree with DMC.
I think he plays too far from the defensive wall.
If you are going to put someone through a gap you can't do it 10 meters before the defence, they will have time to react.
The same with his kicking.
Too far in front of the defence and they have time to turn and get back in cover.
Watch Thurston. By the time he makes his play the defence has no time to react.

Those suttleties is what separates halves like Thurston from halves like SJ. It's a naturally developed part of Thurstons game which makes it so simple for him to execute resulting in clinical backline finishes.

I dont think running halves like SJ and Widdop can emulate what your ball playing halves like your Cronks and your Thurstons do week in week out. Sure SJ and Widdop practice it but being able to transfer it from the training field to the game is something else and thats the difference. JT and Cronk transfer the plays like good ball playing halves do.
 

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He's a halfback, not a prop.

He takes the line on, he has skill, footwork, ability to beat a defender/s.
Contact equates to too slow.

SJ doesn't always need clean breaks. His acceleration is such that if he pops through the defensive line, which involved contact, he has every chance of gassing away (until the fullback) cause the other defenders in the line are naturally caught out and is hard to cover someone like SJ with exceptional acceleration (you don't expect someone to make it through a seemingly ok set defensive line so you aren't 100% ready for it - you only start 'anticipatory' cover defence when you see your defensive line with gaps or they have more numbers and you know the shit is about to hit the fan).

As Rich and Zero point out, Thurston does indeed play right at the defensive line and this is definitely key to what makes him so awesome. Sometimes, when moving the ball to the outside isn't on, he will try to pop through the defensive line if a sniff of room, else, more often, he just backs in for a pretty submissive tackle to reset for a quick play. SJ has better physical attributes, so him managing to pop through is far more likely if he tried. And I say 'pop' through because I am trying to make it clear that I know he is not a prop and while some contact he's not busting or barging...

The games that I've seen SJ at his best are the ones where he has actually hit the line hard with the ball early in the contest. Its like a reflection that he is really determined to own the game. If I was his coach I'd consider telling him to hit the line for at least two of his early touches... to get him going physically.
 
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