Saints v Dockers

[bucko]

Strange result, never see anything like this happen, but do you think the AFL has made the right choice in reversing the decision and awarding Freo the points??

 

[waltzing Meninga]

No way. If the AFL does not act in accordance with its own rules of the game, they are opening themselves up for further trouble and legal action in the future. No result of any match should be reversed mid week because of a refereeing error

 

[Twizzle]

definately

 

[meltiger]

Yes.

 

[camsmith]

No result of any match should be reversed mid week because of a refereeing error

But this wasn't a refereeing (umpiring) error, it was an administrative error.

If the siren went in the fourth quarter just a minute after play started do you really think they would then call full time and the game would be over? Of course not.

Therefore, Yes it was the right decision. No doubt about it.

 

[lockyno1]

I am in the minority but I think the result should have stood. There have been instances before where this has occurred and nothing has been done.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

But this wasn't a refereeing (umpiring) error, it was an administrative error.

If the siren went in the fourth quarter just a minute after play started do you really think they would then call full time and the game would be over? Of course not.

Therefore, Yes it was the right decision. No doubt about it.

In that situation the umpires would realise the error and not signal the end of the game. If they were stupid enough to signal the end of the game then yes it would be over. In this instance the umps did not signal the end of the game, and according to the AFL RULES the game is not over until this happens. There is nothing in the rule book that says "If the siron can not be heard then the game shall conclude once time has elapsed".

Simply, the AFL has not acted within their own rules. Yes it was a huge stuff up by the time keeper, but its still no excuse to go against the official rules of the game.

 

[camsmith]

I am in the minority but I think the result should have stood. There have been instances before where this has occurred and nothing has been done.

When in AFL history has this happened before?

In that situation the umpires would realise the error and not signal the end of the game. If they were stupid enough to signal the end of the game then yes it would be over. In this instance the umps did not signal the end of the game, and according to the AFL RULES the game is not over until this happens. There is nothing in the rule book that says "If the siron can not be heard then the game shall conclude once time has elapsed".

Simply, the AFL has not acted within their own rules. Yes it was a huge stuff up by the time keeper, but its still no excuse to go against the official rules of the game.

The AFL RULES also has, at the end of the 80 minutes (incl time on) a siren must be sounded and sounded untill the umpire raises his hands and signal's the end of the game.

The rule of 'the game is over when the umpire signals it' is all fine BUT previous procedures must occur for that rule to come into affect. If the siren had been pressed continouosly and the umpire had still not acted as he should have then the game would have standed as it would be an umpire's error. That was not the case.

It was a once-off situation.

 

[lockyno1]

When in AFL history has this happened before?


It was a once-off situation.

It happened in a NAB Cup game in the 70's involving Collingwood if you recall. Not sure the exact details. That is the EXACT same circumstance and you know what Cam- the result stood! Many teams get screwed by umpires/administrators yet they just say "its part of the great game we play". I hope the Saints take it to Court as they will win in about 20 minutes!

 

[waltzing Meninga]

When in AFL history has this happened before?




The AFL RULES also has, at the end of the 80 minutes (incl time on) a siren must be sounded and sounded untill the umpire raises his hands and signal's the end of the game.

The rule of 'the game is over when the umpire signals it' is all fine BUT previous procedures must occur for that rule to come into affect. If the siren had been pressed continouosly and the umpire had still not acted as he should have then the game would have standed as it would be an umpire's error. That was not the case.

It was a once-off situation.

the fact that the time keeper did not do his job is irrelevant. The rule states that a game is over when the umpire signals it. It also states that the time keeper should continually press the siron until its heard, but if this doesn't happen, it doesn't mean that every other rule in the rule book is void. The only way for a match to conclude is if the umpire signals it. There is no other way in the rules that a game can finish.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

And also under no circumstances in any footy game should the result of a match be ditermined by a board meeting mid week. The result is ditermined by the players and officials on the feild. Whatever result the umpires state to the AFL after the game should stand under all circumstances. Otherwise we will see more and more of mid week appeals.

 

[camsmith]

It happened in a NAB Cup game in the 70's involving Collingwood if you recall. Not sure the exact details. That is the EXACT same circumstance and you know what Cam- the result stood! Many teams get screwed by umpires/administrators yet they just say "its part of the great game we play". I hope the Saints take it to Court as they will win in about 20 minutes!

VFL back then.

Since 1990 it is AFL and AFL rules apply.

waltzing Meninga - this has been going on since Sunday.. talkback has been going round and round in circles... those who do not accept that for an umpire to hear the siren and to signal the end of the game, then the previous procedures must be followed will always be coming back to the same line.. and that same line will be argued and so on.....

That is what the commission ruled, that is what about 80% of AFL supporters believe and that is what is right.

Otherwise we will see more and more of mid week appeals.

We will not. This was an off-field issue and an off-field issue only.

 

[lockyno1]

VFL back then.

Since 1990 it is AFL and AFL rules apply.

Same point Cam- the wrong decision was made? Tell me why is this any different? Who cares if its VFL, teh AFL is really VFL anyway with the interstate teams added in. It was the same situation and NOTHING was done about it!

 

[waltzing Meninga]

VFL back then.

Since 1990 it is AFL and AFL rules apply.

waltzing Meninga - this has been going on since Sunday.. talkback has been going round and round in circles... those who do not accept that for an umpire to hear the siren and to signal the end of the game, then the previous procedures must be followed will always be coming back to the same line.. and that same line will be argued and so on.....

That is what the commission ruled, that is what about 80% of AFL supporters believe and that is what is right.



We will not. This was an off-field issue and an off-field issue only.

Ok so what if the Time official accidently pressed the siron 30 seconds before the game should have ended and the Saints were down by 1 with the ball in hand.

The time keeper has not done his job properly, but the game has ended. Now according to your theory that because the time keeper did not do his job properly then the match should end when time has officially ellapsed, do saint kilda have a right to a re-match?? If not then its double standards. See what controversy this could possibly create??

Where as if they use the actual rules of the game that the match is over when the umpire signals it then we would have no troubles.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

The fact is that if this situation above had happened to St kilda - the AFL would have said "sorry the game is over when the umps call it" and that would have been the end of the story and the fact that the time keeper stuffed up would not be taken into account.

Stinks of double standards to me.

 

[stevo]

What ever happened to play to the Umps whistle. If he hasn't blown it then the game is still on. I think Freo can count themselves lucky. As for if i think it's right or wrong, i'm not sure. I would have been happy with the 2 points, they were lucky there wasn't a minute still to play otherwise they would have lost.