Salary Cap Effectiveness

[firechild]

To be fair if I was offered 400k to play at the titans or 300k to play at souths I would head to souths know I may get other benefits like rep payments and 3rd party deals.
Believe it or not its not all about money for certain players.

It's probably all about the sick neck tats for Souffs players.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I can't remember us ever releasing a player early and paying part of their salary elsewhere.

Only one of not we've released, that I can remember were:

Michael Jennings (2016); and
Daley Copley (2017).

In both cases they had offers from other clubs after being told they would be unlikely to be re-signed at the end of their current contracts (which in both cases were in their final year).

 

[ram raid]

1875?! If you meant 1975 you might be close, but the last time was 1992-93 with the Brisbane Broncos (and prior to that it was the 1981-82-83 Parramatta Eels).

Ahhh. Cheers for the correction.

 

[forby]

I can't remember us ever releasing a player early and paying part of their salary elsewhere.

You wouldn’t know what goes on behind closed doors. It is not just first graders but anybody in the top 30.

 

[GongPanther]

Salary cap is broken and should be fixed with a 60GB patch

The NRL is in "Development Hell", including a lot of Lucifers with their fingers in the pie.

 

[Billythekid]

During this current decade (2010 onwards) there have been 7 premiership winners and 10 teams in a GF. If the raiders make the GF this year from 2009-2019 that would be 12 of the 16 teams making a GF. How much better can you honestly expect to get?

No salary cap or system is going to produce a perfect balance between teams. You can make a club be run well.

The player market goes both ways. Clubs that aren't very attractive (like Titans, Newy) have to pay overs for players that are available to come to them.

Its pretty easy to attract and retain a player at Bondi.

f**king please. How many teams are actually in that situation? You’ve named 2. Brisbane, Melbourne and all Sydney teams can’t complain. The cowboys have recently won a premiership and seem to be able to attract talent just fine. Even Canberra have got their shit together and are competing for a premiership.

The biggest thing holding back the teams at the bottom of the ladder is the inept people in charge of those clubs. Yes some have it slightly easier than others but damn you lot make it sound so much worse than it is. The NRL remains one of the most even sporting comps in the world despite all the hand wringing.

 

[GongPanther]

Between 1946 and 1971 there was 4 different premieres.
In the last 9 years we have had 7. Pretty simple something is working. Maybe we go back to the years when Souths and saints had whole international players in reserve grade cause they were that good a side.

An interesting point you bring up. As a guesstimate, between 1946 and 1967, there were 10 clubs. The clubs that did do well in that timeline I'm sure were Souths, Easts, St George and Wests. The Dragons had a big pulling power from the late 50's through the 60's especially when they became the richest club once the poker machines came about in 1962.

 

[Valheru]

You wouldn’t know what goes on behind closed doors. It is not just first graders but anybody in the top 30.

We are talking about clubs paying high profile players part of their wages whilst playing elsewhere.

I said I can't remember the roosters doing that, can you?

Who cares about the top 30, as you say we will never know so it is irrelevant.

 

[Captain Apollo]

An interesting point you bring up. As a guesstimate, between 1946 and 1967, there were 10 clubs. The clubs that did do well in that timeline I'm sure were Souths, Easts, St George and Wests. The Dragons had a big pulling power from the late 50's through the 60's especially when they became the richest club once the poker machines came about in 1962.

St George from 1956-1966 were miles ahead of everybody. They had a smart administration with a good board and a smart Club Secretary (As the CEO's were then called), and their training was light years in front of everyone else. They were doing circuit training and building aerobic fitness when every other club's idea of training was a few laps around the oval and some ball work sessions. They were doing that when the "Taj Mahal" came along which helped them financially.

 

[The Rosco]

Adam Blair is on 800.00 too at the warriors. Utterly depressing.


Most of the mid-tier paid players in that list 200k-400k, would get double elsewhere. I smell brown paper bags...

The problem is in the perception.
Roosters fans think that a roster that includes Cronk, Tedesco, Mitchell, Cordner, etc is perfectly normal. And so lesser players like Radley, Tetevano, Butcher, etc are just no-names that wouldn't cost more than min wage.
We also have to ask if there is any advantage whatsoever in employing the ex salary cap head bloke at the NRL to guide your club through the salary cap loopholes. Sorry, did I say loopholes ?
Of course it's not a conflict of interest if he once played for your club !!!

 

[Captain Apollo]

The problem is in the perception.
Roosters fans think that a roster that includes Cronk, Tedesco, Mitchell, Cordner, etc is perfectly normal. And so lesser players like Radley, Tetevano, Butcher, etc are just no-names that wouldn't cost more than min wage.

Whilst fans at other clubs think that after one or two good years, players who are under contract automatically get a salary increase because of winning a premiership. Reportedly few clubs have incentives in them due to the problems it can cause with the salary cap.

When did Mitchell, Manu and Butcher sign their last contracts with the Roosters? March 2018 (source - https://www.roosters.com.au/news/2018/03/12/roosters-re-sign-up-and-coming-trio/). People forget that Butcher didn't play much in 2017 due to a serious injury which kept him out most of the season, so if you think he's on big money, keep dreaming.

 

[The Rosco]

Whilst fans at other clubs think that after one or two good years, players who are under contract automatically get a salary increase because of winning a premiership. Reportedly few clubs have incentives in them due to the problems it can cause with the salary cap.

When did Mitchell, Manu and Butcher sign their last contracts with the Roosters? March 2018 (source - https://www.roosters.com.au/news/2018/03/12/roosters-re-sign-up-and-coming-trio/). People forget that Butcher didn't play much in 2017 due to a serious injury which kept him out most of the season, so if you think he's on big money, keep dreaming.

Ok . . . I'll keep dreaming about Butcher.
Now, back to the BIGGER picture . . . . .

 

[Valheru]

Ok . . . I'll keep dreaming about Butcher.
Now, back to the BIGGER picture . . . . .

@adamkungl posted a rundown on what he thinks the roosters players are paid.

Looking at that list which players would you pay more based on when they signed their contracts?

 

[jack coburn]

It's probably all about the sick neck tats for Souffs players.

there part of the benefits. Free tats

 

[bazza]

No the underlying issue has been the % increase across the two recent TV deals

The last deal jumped the base salary cap by a staggering 27% in one season

This had the effect of giving stars a good % increase so they didn't feel they needed to leave for more money

On the converse you had clubs who over paid players on potential that didn't eventuate

I think that is a good point
If the clubs have more money to spend and players are getting salaries of hundreds of thousands then even an offer of 100 - 200k more may not be as tempting
e.g. play somewhere you like for $700k or play somewhere else for $900k

 

[The Rosco]

@adamkungl posted a rundown on what he thinks the roosters players are paid.

Looking at that list which players would you pay more based on when they signed their contracts?

Val, maybe you should have asked that question when they signed their contracts.
But let's be realistic and deal with their "value" today.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Val, maybe you should have asked that question when they signed their contracts.
But let's be realistic and deal with their "value" today.

Yes but the salary cap is not on "value" it is based on the salary in the contract they signed which is applicable at the time. Hence your argument is a complete non-sequitur.

 

[adamkungl]

Val, maybe you should have asked that question when they signed their contracts.
But let's be realistic and deal with their "value" today.

Their supposed value today has nothing to do with anything.

Otherwise Tigers would win a prize for signing nuffies on overs and watching their value plummet year on year of their 5 year contract

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

The problem is in the perception.
Roosters fans think that a roster that includes Cronk, Tedesco, Mitchell, Cordner, etc is perfectly normal. And so lesser players like Radley, Tetevano, Butcher, etc are just no-names that wouldn't cost more than min wage.
We also have to ask if there is any advantage whatsoever in employing the ex salary cap head bloke at the NRL to guide your club through the salary cap loopholes. Sorry, did I say loopholes ?
Of course it's not a conflict of interest if he once played for your club !!!

Nope. We think it’s an awesome side and a textbook example of great cap management.

 

[siv]

Nope. We think it’s an awesome side and a textbook example of great cap management.

Or designing the cap to suit their plans

And having forward knowledge of structure and allowances

Plus having Shubert on board to go over other club info and tactics has also helped

There is still a 3pa style loophole they are using e.g. overseas education and allowances