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Save Our Sides Protest Rally - Campbelltown 05FEB

joejoe

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Save Our Sides - Protest Rally


The first of many protest rallies has been organised for Sunday the 5th of February to raise concern on the state of Rugby League in South West Sydney.


People from Liverpool, the Macarthur and Southern Highlands, have been ignored for too long by both Rugby League administrators and more recently the Wests Tigers back room men.


The situations we have at hand has gotten to a stage that if we don’t act soon, we will lose much support of our great game of Rugby League. We will lose it to other, better run football codes that have a strategic long term approach to winning the hearts and minds of this thriving area.


What is needed isn’t hard to achieve and we have many talented people from our own area to achieve it. We just need Rugby League to develop a long term roadmap for the area, and then act on it!
These are the basic demands we have:


- We DEMAND a professionally run Senior Competition for the Campbelltown and Liverpool district.
- We DEMAND that Rugby League clubs can play and train at a Home Ground of their own choosing.
- We DEMAND the region retains its own NSW Cup, SG Ball and Harold Matthews representative sides.
- We DEMAND that Campbelltown Stadium gets more than 4 NRL games a year.


We have had enough! For years we have only ever gotten lip service, we now want action. Action we can see! Results we can see!

The march will begin at Campbelltown Council at 10am and proceed down the road to Campbelltown Stadium and the Leagues Club.




The Campbelltown Liverpool Senior Competition



For years the senior competition of Campbelltown and Liverpool has gone from one drama to another. Teams have constantly left the competition to play in bordering competitions that are better run, managed and organised.


This is damaging Rugby League at a grass roots level. Players have to travel further to games whilst the area misses out on hosting local derbies between neighbouring suburbs.


The current administrative structure of the local competition has made it very hard for progressive clubs to introduce change, and those that have are often severely punished for trying.


The Campbelltown Liverpool competition requires a total overhaul on how it is managed and the clubs require better representation so the game can continue to move forward.


Clubs Choice in where they Train and Play



Clubs that abandoned the Campbelltown and Liverpool Competitions in search of a better standard competition (both on and off the field) have had their right to play and train on their own home grounds taken away from them as punishment by the NSW Rugby League.


This decision has made it very difficult and expensive for these clubs that are just trying to do what is best for its players and their future.


Players now have to travel much greater distances to train and the clubs have lost most of their home ground advantage by these restrictions of choice.


This one is simple to solve however. Just allow clubs the right to train and play on any ground they desire that meets all the requirements.






Retain our Own Representative Sides



The merger between Balmain and Western Suburbs in 1999 has a clause written in its constitution that both Western Suburbs Magpies and Balmain Tigers will retain their identity at ALL levels except the NRL where they will play as the Wests Tigers.


The reason for this clause was to ensure that both areas continued to provide the junior development stepping stones for local players to represent their own area and then hopefully make it to the NRL.


Since then the Western Suburbs Magpies have continued to be the local areas representative team in the NSW Rugby League competition. They look after Under 16’s Harold Matthews, Under 18’s S.G. Ball and an Opens NSW Cup sides and have helped to develop a multitude of local kids into NRL players.


Now the people behind the scenes of the Wests Tigers want to disband the Western Suburbs Magpies in favour of a single Wests Tigers side that will be based from Concord in the inner city.


This means local parents will have to drive their kids all the way into the busy city to Concord Oval for training 3 times a week and every second week for game day. An area of our size and population needs its own representative sides at a state level.


Talented sporting children are often talented at many sports so if it is just easier for them to play a different code, that is what they will do.






The NSW Cup is an open age reserve grade competition for the NRL. The Wests Tigers want to disband the Western Suburbs Magpies NSW Cup team and again replace it with a Wests Tigers team that will be based out of the inner city at Concord.


They claim having one NSW Cup team will make their NRL team stronger yet FACTS show that they won a Premiership when having access to two NSW Cup teams in 2005.


We believe the real issue is that the Balmain Tigers have found themselves in financial difficulty and can no longer fund a NSW Cup side, and it is well known that the power brokers behind Wests Tigers have favoured the Balmain pushed, inner city relocation of the joint venture.


These same people do not want to see Western Suburbs survive whilst Balmain drops out of the NSW Cup. Otherwise the simple solution is to continue having the Magpies operate out of Campbelltown, and the Wests Tigers send all players not required for NRL duty back to them.


INSTEAD, Wests Tigers now funds the Balmain Tigers NSW Cup side, and gives them ALL NRL contracted players not required for NRL duty including…. local Magpies juniors!
This is no longer a JOINT VENTURE as was promised in 1999. It is the inner city take over of the Wests Tigers leaving the South West Sydney heartland with nothing.


The Wests Tigers now not only take the cream from our junior base, but have put steps in place to ensure the Magpies can no longer be competitive. This not only includes taking our local junior players and giving them to Balmain Tigers, but now refusing to even provide basic support of the club such as providing Gatorade and Strapping for our players injuries.


The joint venture is broken! Wests Tigers have become another inner city club!


They should be embracing the area and its huge junior base by providing more opportunities for players, not less!




More than 4 NRL games a year at Campbelltown Stadium





It doesn’t take long to look around the Liverpool, Camden and Campbelltown regions to realise that the number of households and population is increasing at an exponential rate.


The majority of this growth is from people with young families. These families will have choices to make as to what codes of football their children will play in, and one of the most effective weapons to winning these children over is exposing them 1st hand to a local NRL side played out of a local stadium.


Now I understand that we are in a tricky situation being in a joint venture with Balmain but I guess I was once considered spoilt with 12 home matches a year at Campbelltown Stadium back when we had our own NRL team.
When the joint venture was formed the games were split 50 : 50 with Campbelltown and Leichhardt Oval. Now whilst 6 games a year wasn’t perfect, at the time it was acceptable.


Since then we have had the number of games at Campbelltown Stadium reduced to 3 a year by Wests Tigers management claiming they could make more money playing away from their traditional grounds.


As of 2010 they increased the number of games to 4 a year being played at Campbelltown. The remaining 8 games are being played in the inner city at Leichhardt Oval and the Sydney football Stadium.


Anyone from out of Sydney’s South West understands the time and effort to get to these inner city grounds is extreme at best. With no train line running directly to these grounds, public transport provides a poor alternative to dealing with Sydney traffic.


Now the Wests Tigers originally claimed the reason why more games weren’t played at Campbelltown Stadium was the ground lighting wasn’t adequate and the ground lacked a big screen tv.


Since then the ground has new lighting and a big screen fitted. It has also upgraded its corporate facilities and installed more seating, yet we still only get 4 games.


Campbelltown Stadium’s average crowd in 2010 was 15,305 and in 2011 it was 15,973. Both very respectable figures for a team based in the Sydney region.


So why does the inner city get 8 home games a year from the Wests Tigers, when this large populace growth area, that should be the focus of the NRL only gets 4?


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SIGN THE ONLINE PETITION BY CLICKING HERE...

Please sign our online petition and get your friends to do so too. We need people power to stop what is happening to the Magpies!!!
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/fish--goes-off--as-fans-get-under-americans-skin-20120107-1ppbv.html

SOUTH-WEST ON MARCH

LEAGUE lovers in Sydney's south-west have planned a protest rally for February 5 to highlight what was described as the dire state of the game in the area after infighting at the junior level. The call to arms was posted on the Wests Supporters forum and fans from Liverpool, Campbelltown and the Southern Highlands have been urged to march from Campbelltown's council chambers to Campbelltown Stadium. Organisers fear that unless grassroots issues are addressed – soon – the stronghold that produced the likes of Nathan Hindmarsh, Chris Lawrence, Jarryd Hayne and Krisnan Inu will be overrun by a highly motivated AFL. The main issue focused on some discontent over the junior league's management of the A grade competition after the Campbelltown and old "Group Six" clubs split away so they could revert to their old competitions. Three Campbelltown clubs wanted to play in the Group Six premiership but have been foiled by a NSWRL rule.
 

***MH***

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I can't figure out from the articles who is actually running the protest and who the protest is really against.

There is a lot of "We demand" in the article. Who is "we"? Is "we" the Magpies Football Club, the Campbelltown/Liverpool community, Magpie fans or the clubs of their Junior League District?

Is this group upset at their own administration, their local councils, Balmain, NSWRL or the NRL?
 

joejoe

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Its the people of Liverpool and Macarthur protesting over the fact Rugby League is a shambles out in our area.

Our A Grade comp is a joke
We have teams unable to play and train on their own home grounds due to politics
Wests Tigers want to off the Magpies in the NSW Cup
We only get 4 NRL games a year at a stadium we spent millions upgrading
And the amount of infighting, arguing, politics and administration problems are getting away from the most important thing...


giving kids opportunities to play the game we all love.



All this under the shadow of AFL who is moving in to take what Rugby League neglects.
 

***MH***

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Seems like there are a lot of obstacles to contend with. If the clubs feel the same way as the community, why haven't they filed a vote of no confidence against the Board of the WSDJRL? If the competition ends up in administration, the NSWRL should surely have the resources to run the District until the clubs can vote for their preferred Board.

The area is too important for the NSWRL to neglect, but they wouldn't intervene against the WSDJRL unless a complaint is made or the WSDJRL go into administration.
 

joejoe

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Many complaints have been made and have constantly fallen on death ears. And those that do dare complain seem to get suspensions from Rugby League for any little minor misshap they do after.

We have a whole bunch of hard working volunteers from different clubs serving long suspensions from the game for daring to demand a better deal.


And Wests Tigers are no better. They seem to think a token 4 games a year is good enough. Well it isn't!


The Macarthur Chronicle and Advertiser are running stories this week. Hopefully the locals will get behind this and we can get some improvements before AFL with its good management and bucket loads of cash enters the equation.
 

Haffa

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4 games is a bit low but you can understand the need to move the Dogs and Saints games to the SFS. The Souths game at the SCG is a 1952 GF reunion in Heritage round.

The broncos game should probably be played at one of the grounds but I'd imagine if they went either way they'd have complaints that one side is being favored.

Campbelltown Sports Stadium
Rd 4 March 23-26: vs Canberra Raiders
Rd 12 May 25-28: vs North Queensland Cowboys
Rd 19 July 13-16: vs Penrith Panthers
Rd 22 August 3-6: vs Parramatta Eels
Leichhardt Oval
Rd 1 March 2-5: vs Cronulla Sutherland Sharks
Rd 11 May 18-21: vs New Zealand Warriors
Rd 15 June 15-18: vs Sydney Roosters
Rd 26: Aug 31-Sep 3: vs Melbourne Storm

Looking at the Split I'd say the Leichhart games are against stronger opposition but the Campbelltown games do include Penrith and Parra which are great rivalries.
 
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It's a bit rich when people from Sydney complain about being ignored by RL administration when they still get more NRL games and more development officers and don't have to contend with obstacles like distance. Try being from a country area. If the NSWRL is so bad at running the game in Sydney it says a lot about Sydney people and the clubs there. Country people have a lot more natural difficulties to deal with and the CRL and its Groups still seem to do a much better job than the NSWRL and its districts and clubs. ATEOTD these organisations are run by people, people who represent the game in their area. It's up to local people wherever the game is played to get their shit together and run the game properly. If Sydney people, and in this case people from that part of Sydney, can't do this it's hard to blame anyone else. And the old "AFL is coming to get us" fear campaign only gives the AFL invasion propaganda more air, when realistically it deserves none.
 
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There should be 6 games a year out there. If they wanna play games at the SFS it should come out of the Leichhardt allocation.

6-4-2 would be a more appropriate switch
 

joejoe

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Front and back page of the Macarthur chronicle
Article in Macarthur Advertiser and the Sun Herald
Article in the Daily Telegraph. Over 90 comments from the public.
Mentioned on 2GB.

Looks like this thing has hit a nerve with peoples concerns of the state of the game in Sydney's South West.
 

thorson1987

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this has been a long way coming as well.

The junior league have not been able to run a decent senior comp for years.

I played for one of the teams that were "banished" last season all because we wanted to play in a well run comp.

and the fact that one club president can get a 7 year ban for an email sent then another president only gets a 2 week ban for punching on on the sidelines with his own team is another joke.

There have been a few times where at the junior league meetings someone from our club has tried to get a vote of no confidence, after the majority of clubs backed it until the meeting where they changed their minds.
 

***MH***

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this has been a long way coming as well.

The junior league have not been able to run a decent senior comp for years.

I played for one of the teams that were "banished" last season all because we wanted to play in a well run comp.

and the fact that one club president can get a 7 year ban for an email sent then another president only gets a 2 week ban for punching on on the sidelines with his own team is another joke.

There have been a few times where at the junior league meetings someone from our club has tried to get a vote of no confidence, after the majority of clubs backed it until the meeting where they changed their minds.

That's so gutless.
 

siv

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I would also demand a $500K grant from the NSWRL / NRL to run a NSW Cup team
 

paulmac

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If Balmain cant afford NSW Cup why dont they play in the Bundy Red Cup?They could be the "thirds".It would also increase the profile of the BRC.I also agree that C'town should get 6 games.4 at Leichardt and 2 heritage games at the SCG against Saints and Souths.Whilst Im making demands can we please just have 2 jumpers the 78 Victa jersey for Wests and the 89 Phillips jersey for Balmain.rant over.
 

alien

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I used to travel all around the country supporting Wests Tigers. I have been to most of their games since they started in 2000 (home & away games). I wont be spending another cent on them again. They are trying to kill off the Magpies completely which is against the joint-venture agreement. It's supposed to be a 50:50 joint venture but it's not. I will still support Wests Magpies but if they ceast to exist then my support of rugby league is over. I was there at ANZ Stadium when we won the comp in 2005 - It means nothing to me now. f**k you Wests Tigers.
 

alien

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And for those that don't know, in 2012 Balmain NSW Cup team is fully funded by Wests Tigers. Balmain also get all of the WT NRL players that aren't required for 1st grade that week. Whilst Wests Magpies get NOTHING. No money, no players. Balmain started getting all of the excess WT NRL players in 2006 and 2007. It has gone on for too long. The Magpie on the sleeves is also meant to be a certain size on the sleeves but it keeps getting smaller and now instead of it being on the top of the sleeve where it's meant to be, it is now on the bottom of the sleeve where they tape up the sleeves so it is hardly visible. They are just pissing on the Wests side of the joint-venture & they can go and get stuffed! SCUM.
 

joejoe

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Why we feel let down in pictures.....



8 games in the inner city, 4 in the South West
inner-city.jpg




The proud Magpies on the Shoulders....
magpie.jpg



became the vanishing Magpie on the cuff of the sleeve...
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the main jersey has a distinct Balmain feel yet the alternative jersey is a nothing design
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Why do Magpies have to play for Balmain to get a chance at making the Wests Tigers teams...
nathanwaters-1.jpg





Maybe if the Wests side felt like they were being treated fairly, there would be greater support for a joint venture Wests Tigers team in the NSW Cup.

Maybe the Wests Tigers should have done a better job at selling it to us... not dictating terms.

To quote the famous Magpie legend Noel Kelly... "time and time again the Wests side gets the rough end of the stick"
 

joejoe

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SOS - Save Our Sides - Press Release


SOS from Supporters of the Wests Magpies and Campbelltown- Liverpool District Rugby League to the NRL and Independent Commission:

SAVE RUGBY LEAGUE OUT HERE… WE NEED ACTION NOW!

Rugby League at all levels in the Liverpool, Campbelltown and greater Macarthur region is in an absolute shambles. We, the undersigned, have organized a protest rally and march for Sunday February 5th.

The march will start at Campbelltown City Council chambers, 10am sharp and proceed down Queen St. Campbelltown to Wests Leagues Club, Campbelltown. Here a petition will be presented to the Wests Junior League and Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown, outlining the many issues that have and are still ruining Rugby League in Campbelltown.

An on-line petition is also currently active at http://www.petitiononlineaustralia.com/petition/save-our-sides-rugby-league-protest-rally/277for people to voice and register their support for sweeping change throughout all levels of Rugby League in the Liverpool, Campbelltown and Macarthur area.


Speakers of note have been invited to the march, with the goals of the march to highlight the following alarming concerns:


· The decline of an unacceptably poorly managed junior league, inclusive of the total loss of semi- professional senior Rugby League in the region, and the fact that three senior clubs (Campbelltown City Kangaroos, Campbelltown Eagles and Macarthur Bulls) who dared seek semi- professional competition in CRL Group 6 were forced to play and train out of the area by the NSWRL on behalf of the Junior League.


· The Imminent Death of the Wests Magpies, foundation club of the NSWRL.


· The absent parent- the Concord Tigers, who use the Campbelltown- Liverpool area only for its juniors.


· The greater Rugby League fraternity of the region will also highlight the lack of amenities and infrastructure for junior Rugby League in the Campbelltown LGA, particularly in comparison to other districts and the very well catered other sports in the Campbelltown LGA.


· Solutions to all of these issues.



Wests Magpies RIP 1908- 2012:

The great Western Suburbs Magpies DRLFC has been told that the 2012 season will be their last in existence. The Tigers aligned board of the Ashfield Leagues Club has informed the football club of this. There will be no Wests Magpies team in the NSW Cup as of 2013. There will be no Liverpool- Macarthur representative in this important Sydney wide competition for our region’s talented youth.

All junior development and control of the Magpies Harold Matthews and SG Ball teams has reverted to the far away distant, Concord based Wests Tigers.
Macarthur and Liverpool based kids, working full-time jobs, are now basically denied the opportunity to play Toyota Cup by the tyranny of distance, with the Tigers team being based at the distant and poorly public transport accessed Concord complex.

Ø We demand that the NSWRL re-affirm the status of the Western Suburbs Magpies as the District Club of Liverpool- Campbelltown.
Ø We DEMAND that the Liverpool, Campbelltown and Macarthur region retains its own NSW Cup, SG Ball and Harold Matthews representative sides as the Western Suburbs Magpies.
Ø We demand that Wests Leagues Ashfield re-affirm the status of the Western Suburbs Magpies DRLFC as their heritage.
Ø We demand that the Wests Tigers and Wests Leagues Campbelltown stop meddling in the affairs of the Western Suburbs Magpies DRLFC




The Western Suburbs District Junior League

There are way too many stories here to list- not teams lost, but of whole clubs lost, whole age groups, whole senior competitions, volunteers refused registration for speaking their mind, volunteers too intimidated to voice opinions, volunteers made examples of and given punitive 2-7 year suspensions for sending texts/ emails voicing dissatisfaction with the conduct of the competitions. One volunteer, Daniel Draper of the East Campbelltown Eagles, was banned for a conversation at a local pub.
http://macarthur-chronicle-camden.w...from-western-suburbs-district-junior-rugby-l/
http://macarthur-chronicle-campbell.../david-lucas-banned-for-18-months-over-texts/

The most telling is their common factor status in many bitter disputes against the NSWRL (refusing to affiliate), the WSDRLFC (refusing to affiliate amongst others), the CRL, CRL Group 6 and a number of its own clubs down the years.

Ø We demand that the Board of the NSWRL or the new Independent Commission complete a rigid and thorough examination as to why in 1991 this junior league had 20 clubs and in 2012 will be down to 12-13 clubs and why this junior league has lost 400 players senior players in the last two seasons. How can this be possible when the area has trebled in population? The Wests junior league should also be called to account on how it lost the operation of an entire 5 grade senior competition between 1991 and 1997.
Ø We demand that a thorough and rigid investigation of the ‘health’ of the unaffiliated Western Suburbs District Junior League (to the District Club and NSWRL) is conducted, and upon receipt of negative findings, is placed under the administrative control of the NSWRL and immediately re-affiliated to the WSDRLFC and NSWRL.

The separation of the Combined Wests Juniors/Group 6 Competition in 2011 has seen 3 senior clubs and over 400 local Wests senior Rugby League players (aged 16yo and older) make the move to play and train in the Group 6 area. These three clubs requested to be based to play/train in the Campbelltown area but were driven out of the area by the junior league to continue playing semi-professional Rugby League in the bordering CRL Group 6 competition. Campbelltown has been deprived of a high standard semi- professional Senior Rugby League competition since the original split from Group 6 back in 1983. The running of the senior Competition should be handed back to its rightful owner the Group 6 Senior Country Rugby League.
We DEMAND that CRL Group 6 be allowed to professionally run a Sunday Senior Competition for all clubs in the Campbelltown and Liverpool district.
We DEMAND that Rugby League clubs be allowed to play and train at a Home Ground of their own choosing.
http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....roup-6-votes-to-accept-defectors/2000023.aspx
http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....its-a-bloody-disgrace-says-henry/2181668.aspx
http://digitaledition.macarthurchro...spx?iid=48810&startpage=page0000006#folio=005




The Wests Tigers- the absent parent

Driven from Campbelltown to Concord lately? It’s a fair hike. There ain’t much in common between the two areas. One could be mistaken for thinking that the old inner-city guard put the old Balmain and the old Western Suburbs together to form a super Ashfield- Concord team.

What does Campbelltown get out of this ill-conceived arrangement? Four games against the out of town, low marquee event teams.

Wests Tigers do not have a presence in the schools of Liverpool, Campbelltown or Macarthur. Requests for player appearances fall on deaf ears from the Concord Tigers club. It’s a bit far from Concord.

Macarthur and Liverpool based juniors are now denied opportunity to play NSW Cup for a Campbelltown- Liverpool based club with the imminent death of the Magpies. Successful Macarthur juniors kept by the Tigers have to travel to the inner city and play for the Balmain Tigers NSW Cup team, making a mockery of the concept of a ‘local junior’. Four Campbelltown- Liverpool juniors took the field for the Wests Tigers in the Toyota Cup semi final against North Queensland. How is this providing opportunity for the youth of Liverpool- Macarthur?

-We DEMAND that the Wests Tigers establish a Campbelltown office.
-We DEMAND that the Wests Tigers at least relocate the training operations of their NYC Toyota Cup team and ‘Cubs Program’ to the Macarthur region.






Campbelltown Council and JRLC Amenities/ Infrastructure

Take a drive around Campbelltown and compare the different fields of the codes. Case closed.
Ask any junior league volunteer how hard it is to deal with employees at Campbelltown Council.

Problem solved with a new junior league administration and the return of semi- professional Rugby League.

Rugby League in the Liverpool, Campbelltown and Macarthur regions has been slowly dying since the loss of the Magpies to the NRL in 1999. We won’t be losing them as the District Club of the area. Enough is enough. It is time for the Wests Tigers to stop interfering in the Magpies and Rugby League throughout the Liverpool and Campbelltown regions. Go run the NRL team as you were charged to do.

After 20 years, change is far overdue in the ranks of the local Junior League. Retire them gracefully, give democratic power in the Junior League back to the volunteers and clubs, and install new blood at the helm.

At 10am on Sunday February 5th, Magpies supporters once again have to rally to save their club. Supporters of Rugby League in Campbelltown will rally also for long overdue change at Junior League level.

This is an invitation for you to join us.

Save or Sides Action Group,

Graeme Szynal
Western Suburbs Magpies Member 366
Mobile: 0407 929 124
Email: g.szynal@gmail.com

Trevor Williams
East Campbelltown Eagles Life Member
 
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