i dunno about the lifetime ban. i dont think we should ban players simply for going to union but the way hes done this is probably the lowest act in league that i can remember (apart from all the super league drama). and he HAS to be punished. somehow.
the NRL and the dogs need to stand up for themselves but i dont know how.
Goodbye Williams. You and your groupies have dragged the game through the mud this year so piss off.
Personally id love the Dogs to make him sit on his ass and play no form of football for 4 years.
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How Apt Is That Club Emblem For Sonny Bill. He Will Wear That With Pride!
Looking At The Clubs Roster, They Do Have Some Pretty Good Talent On There Books..
current And Former Internationals
new Signings
- alessio Galasso (france)
- george Gregan (australia)
- martin Jágr (czech Republic)
- norman Jordaan (south Africa)
- grigol Labadze (georgia)
- esteban Lozada (argentina)
- dan Luger (england)
- kiri Mariner (samoa)
- victor Matfield (south Africa)
- andrew Mehrtens (new Zealand)
- anton Oliver (new Zealand)
- junior Poluleuligaga (samoa)
- wessel Roux (south Africa)
- jean-baptiste Rué (france)
- lawrence Sephaka (south Africa)
- saimone Taumoepeau (new Zealand)
- rob Henderson (ireland)
That's A Lot Of Money For The Quality Of Player They Have. Hopefully Henjack And Sbw Get Out On The Piss, And Henjack Wacks Him One!
- jerry Collins (new Zealand)
- matt Henjak (australia)
- sisa Koyamaibole (fiji)
- olivier Missioup (france)
- ramiro Pez (italy)
- luke Rooney (australia)
- joe Van Niekerk (south Africa)
- sonny Bill Williams (new Zealand)
Edit: Saw This On The Kennel And Had To Share..
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He is only not accredited with the NRL meaning he cannot negotiate or broker contracts with NRL clubs. He can deal with French RU clubs and he can deal with the media on his behalf.
He would not get sued if he said he was Sonny's manager.
its $1.5 million a season mate.
In case that wikipedia entry gets edited in the light of current events, the real source for that quote is:Interesting comment attributed to SBW on his re-signing with the Dogs.. "I'm happy to be staying here with the boys and I'm happy to be here with the Club. I want to be a Bulldog for life. The club is just as much apart of me a part of me as I am of the club. I love the Bulldogs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bill_Williams
EDIT: Saw this on the Kennel and had to share..
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Experts divided on Dogs' legal avenues
Glenn Jackson | July 28, 2008
Adding more confusion to the baffling departure of Sonny Bill Williams is the fact the legal fraternity is at odds about the prospect of action against the runaway.
Two sports law experts yesterday gave conflicting opinions about the chances of the Bulldogs successfully preventing Williams from playing rugby union in France.
Tony O'Reilly, a director of the Australia and New Zealand Sports Law Association who has previously represented the NRL, believes the Bulldogs would be justified in attempting to gain a court injunction to stop Williams from playing rugby. "The simple answer is the courts don't look very kindly on people who blatantly dishonour their legal obligations," said O'Reilly, who has previously represented former Olympic swimmer Ian Thorpe in defamation proceedings and specialises in sports law.
"You can't force him to play for the Bulldogs but you can stop him from playing for anyone else. I expect the Bulldogs will pursue every avenue available."
Bulldogs chief executive Todd Greenberg met NRL boss David Gallop yesterday and was told the league would give the club its full support.
"It'll be a test case for the club, the game, and potentially other sports," Greenberg said. "We'll certainly be doing everything in our power to ensure our contract is honoured."
Asked if he was prepared to make Williams sit out the remainder of his contract, Greenberg said: "All of those things are on the table. We're talking about the commitment of a contract. If he's not playing with the Bulldogs, he won't be playing football, full stop."
Bulldogs coach Steve Folkes echoed those sentiments, saying: "If [Williams] is successful, it's pretty much open slather for anyone."
But there were fears yesterday that the Bulldogs, and the NRL, would be powerless to prevent Williams playing rugby union in France.
"Without having seen the contract, and without pre-empting what the court might do, I'd expect it would be very tough to obtain an injunction, especially given that Williams is in France and he's playing in a different country and a different code," barrister Paul Hayes, a sports law expert, said.
The Bulldogs will also explore suing Williams for damages amid concerns over the ramifications for the club's sponsors and gate takings. "On the back of Sonny's commitment to the club, the club has in turn made several commitments to players, sponsors, supporters and members," Greenberg said. "The ramifications of his decision to leave the country are fairly significant."
Breaking contract could land Sonny Bill behind bars
Article from: The Courier-Mail
Karl deKroo and Matt Marshall
July 28, 2008 12:00am
SONNY Bill Williams could face jail time if he breaches an injunction to prevent the renegade forward from playing rugby union in France.
The startling revelation came last night as NRL clubs declared war on Williams demanding he be made an example of to deter others from following his deceitful path.
Gold Coast chief executive Michael Searle led calls for the NRL to do "whatever it takes" to enforce Williams's five-year contract at the Bulldogs.
The Kiwi international stunned the league world over the weekend when he fled his club to pursue a multi-million dollar deal with French rugby union club Toulon.
"I think the time has come for our game to take a really strong stance on this," Searle said last night.
"We need to set the parameters so if anyone attempts to break a contract in the future they know what the outcomes are.
"Our game has always been very strong on the fact that a contract is a contract and unfortunately Sonny Bill's career is going to have to be the victim here.
"It is going to be a challenge, but we have to be prepared to invest heavily and spend whatever it takes to fight this to the bitter end.
"This case is going to set a precedent and we have to make sure that the consequences are made extremely clear if you try to breach a contract.
"We have to get an injunction in place to stop him from playing rugby union and then we also should close the door on him and say you won't be welcome back in our game ever again either.
"This isn't a matter of money. It is a matter of principle."
Bulldogs CEO Todd Greenberg said his club was prepared to explore every avenue to ensure Williams honoured his contract.
"This is very different to the Mark Gasnier situation, where there were escape clauses and the like," Greenberg said.
"There is a contract in place.
"He has made a commitment and in simple terms, people should honour their commitments.
"We are confident an injunction can be carried out to ensure he can't play."
A Sydney barrister said last night Williams could find himself in deep trouble if he snubbed his nose at a court injunction.
"There is an open-ended penalty vested in the NSW Supreme Court to punish contempt of court," the QC said.
"It can be a fine, jail or both. It would seem he (Williams) has been given some very poor legal advice."
The NRL has approached both the International Rugby Board and the Australian Rugby Union in an effort to gain their support to block Williams's move to France.
"We will be supporting the Bulldogs in pursuing every legal option that they've got," NRL boss David Gallop said.
"We'll also be calling on the IRB to get involved because this can't be good for either code."
The street-corner tip was that Willie Mason would be next to leave.
''Never say never,'' he said, as it emerged his manager was in France shopping his name to French clubs.
However NRL boss David Gallop last night warned Mason to think carefully.
''Willie should be well aware of the end-date for his contract and I would expect the Roosters would probably be frowning on any suggestion that he can get out early,'' Gallop said.
''Anyone involved in inducing a breach of Sonny Bill's contract with the Bulldogs should be aware that the club have their legal team's eyes on them as well.''
Life is not all about greed, Money Bill
By Paul Kent
July 27, 2008 11:17pm
Article from: The Daily Telegraph
SONNY Bill Williams' famous quote, in March, goes like this: "I was offered double what I'm on at Canterbury to go somewhere else and I stayed because I wanted to stay loyal to the club and keep the boys around, but to see him leave like that ..."
He is talking about Willie Mason, and Willie's decision to break contract and walk out on the Bulldogs at the start of this season to join the Roosters.
Sonny Bill did not finish there.
"It's tough because he was a player that I really did look up to and for him to leave like that ... I had so much respect for him ... from telling me to stay loyal and what not ... and for him to just pack up and leave like that was very hard to take.
"So, yeah my respect for him has diminished."
And so, yeah, Sonny Bill is exposed as a myth.
Slain by his own words.
Today he rises somewhere in another part of the world as the new poster boy for the Where's Mine? gang.
It gets worse. Williams' walkout on the Bulldogs ranks among the lowest, most treacherous acts performed by a footballer on his team-mates. He snuck out of town without telling one team-mate he was going. Mid-season.
Forget the PR spin from the media lackeys that have embarrassed themselves by trying to sell the line that Sonny Bill confided in two close team-mates before he left.
The Bulldogs players met yesterday and not one of them said they knew.
Two days before he skipped town, Sonny Bill sat with chief executive Todd Greenberg, incoming coach Kevin Moore and captain Andrew Ryan to discuss plans for next year.
Not a word.
Last week the Bulldogs allowed every fan with a Kiwi, Samoan, Tongan or Fijian passport into the game for free at Sonny Bill's urging.
Not a word.
Apparently all Sonny Bill can say is: Where's mine?
And his greed creates the most important test case in the NRL's 11-year history.
Here is a man being induced to break a five-year contract to take up a deal with French rugby club Toulon.
The French rugby clubs have the money to outbid NRL clubs.
They are owned by rich businessmen whose rugby clubs are almost an indulgence, a rich man's toy. Toulon owner, Mourad Boudjellal, made his fortune in the comic strip business and lavishes money on his team.
If the NRL blinks now the damage could be irreparable.
No, the game won't die. But if a precedent is set the best players can be poached without ramification, the NRL will wither.
It will become nothing more than a step up from bush football, dying from the top down.
The NRL and the Bulldogs have been seeking legal advice and today will begin to force the International Rugby Board to get involved.
Yesterday NRL boss David Gallop challenged the IRB to acknowledge what had happened and to prevent Sonny Bill from being registered.
In terms of the game, it is high noon.
If the IRB fails to impose its jurisdiction on the French Rugby Federation (FFR) it could be all over. This is a greater chance of happening than most realise.
The owners of French rugby clubs wield tremendous power within their game and tremendous political power outside.
Such is the extent, they often dictate to the FFR itself.
The English Premier League and Italian Serie A are perhaps the only football leagues in the world where the clubs dictate so heavily to the governing body.
For such reasons the NRL's greatest concern -- and it is one the Australian Rugby Union shares -- is that the IRB will not be able to govern the FFR.
The French clubs won't allow it, meaning Sonny Bill could be in the black and red sooner rather than later.
The ARU knows that if the IRB cannot stop the FFR from poaching Sonny Bill and he can't be held to a contract then the same applies to Matt Giteau, Lote Tuqiri and the rest.
The NRL's problem is unique in it provides the best athletes, even by rugby union standards, yet it does not have the money to keep them if it comes to auction.
Already in the past year Craig Gower, Mark Gasnier and Luke Rooney have scored large pay rises to play rugby in France.
Unlike Sonny Bill, none broke their contract to make the deal.
Gower is the only one to have yet played, but it sounds like a beautiful set-up. Twice the money for half the football.
When he returned briefly this year he told one friend he made six tackles all season.
He told a coach that he believed he had one or, at best, two years left in the NRL but in this league he could play another four or five seasons.
So the appeal is legitimate. It is the means that concern.
The NRL must fight the Toulon deal as far as it needs to go.
No compensation. No deals.
Sonny Bill plays for the Bulldogs or he plays nowhere, even if it means going to the highest international court to enforce his contract.
As for Sonny Bill and his wonderful ethics, he had us fooled with Willie Mason.
Now he has ignored one of the first pieces of advice every man of substance learns.
Lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas.
All his unrest came after he signed with manager Khoder Nasser, the man that has managed Anthony Mundine's career with great aplomb.
Today he scratches.