Discussion in 'Parramatta Eels' started by Tooooks, Mar 15, 2020.
Financial toll will most likely lead to high death toll.
That’s your opinion and perhaps it’s best that you don’t consider it as fact.
Not a lot of chat about the medium to long term affects of cv19, mainly cause, well its a new virus with lack of studies on long term affects
Some smaller studies and people going through it when they apparantly recovered
Persistent symptoms ‘deeply frustrating’
Anyone with a severe disease would be expected to suffer long-lasting consequences. But COVID-19 seems to have persistent symptoms even in those with milder forms of the illness.
Social media is replete with stories of survivors afflicted by ongoing symptoms. Support groups have emerged on Slack and Facebook hosting thousands of people, some still suffering more than 60 days after infection. They call themselves “long-termers” or “long-haulers”.
One of the most well-known sufferers is Paul Garner, an infectious disease specialist at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine in the UK. He was infected in late March and his symptoms continue. In a blog post published by the British Medical Journal he describes having a:
…muggy head, upset stomach, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), pins and needles, breathlessness, dizziness and arthritis in the hands.
These symptoms have waxed and waned but not yet resolved. He says this is:
…deeply frustrating. A lot of people start doubting themselves… Their partners wonder if there is something psychologically wrong with them.
So far, only one peer-reviewed study has reported results on the long-term symptoms of COVID-19 infection: a single group of 143 survivors from Rome. Most of them did not need hospitalisation and all were assessed at least 60 days after infection. They reported a worsened quality of life in 44.1% of cases, including symptoms of persistent fatigue (53.1%), breathlessness (43.4%), joint pain (27.3%), and chest pain (21.7%).
While our experience with COVID-19 has only just begun, long-term symptoms following severe viral illness are not a new phenomenon. Influenza has long been linked to persistent symptoms such as fatigue and muscle pain, including after both the 1890 and 1918-19 pandemics.
Survival of a severe viral pneumonia or ARDS, particularly after intensive care, is known to have long-lasting implications. Some survivors suffer long-term breathlessness and fatigue as a result of the damage to their lungs or from other complications. Survivors can also suffer depression (26–33%), anxiety (38–44%), or post-traumatic stress disorder (22–24%).
Long-term symptoms a feature of other coronaviruses
Our experience with other coronaviruses should have forewarned us of these problems. The first SARS coronavirus and the Middle Eastern Respiratory virus (MERS) caused severe disease in a greater proportion of sufferers than COVID-19, with significant numbers of sufferers developing ARDS and needing intensive care.
Canadian researchers followed survivors of the first SARS outbreak in Toronto. They found sleep disturbance, chronic fatigue, depression and muscle pains were common. A third of survivors had to modify their work and lifestyle, and only 14% had no long-term symptoms. Similarly, in a Korean group of MERS survivors, 48% still experienced chronic fatigue after 12 months.
The COVID-19 pandemic is still in its early days. Survivors with persistent symptoms, the “long-haulers”, are clearly not uncommon and their symptoms and concerns need to be heard, studied and understood. Clinical trials in the UK, Europe and the US are now recruiting to do this.
As with many aspects of COVID-19, we have much to learn and there is much work still to do.
Yeah, just my opinion. Unless you like to learn from history.
No, this is unprecedented. Anyone who pretends to know how to deal with this pandemic is a fool, unless they make calls on a case by case (country by country) basis and be prepared to be agile based on the expert advice at hand.
Yes words have meanings, all I'm saying there is that you can't lay claim to not being in recession with a negative quarter behind you, and by that definition, because words have meanings, they won't know if they're in recession now, until whenever it is the figures for this quarter are done.
By which time , by that definition, they may or may not still be in recession. But won't really know.
Here's Australia's last recession quarter by quarter GDP growth....
...........as you can see that by the first quarter of 91/92 we knew, by that definition we were in recession in quarters three and four of 90/91, but by the time we knew, we no longer were
Though by the annualised rate we still were when we weren't...............
That was the recession we were required to have. I remember it well.
How much would you work for free to keep your parents alive for another year? That is how people should try and look at it.
We focus to much on things that do not matter once we are dead.
It is a tough time. There is no correct decision. For mine the best thing is masks and social distancing in public. Keeping space from others good hygiene and limit spread
Compassion is the word that economists have no column for in their spreadsheets.
If you have compassion, then it’s not a sacrifice to go without.
However if you lack compassion then making sacrifices is a very uncomfortable experience.
Yep, that's the one.
You can value compassion these days using fancy algorithms.
Or by typing pornhub into your browser
Mate, you may have read me wrong. Maybe I expressed my thoughts incorrectly. I apologize profusely for that if I did.
I honestly feel for all the lives lost throughout this pandemic, however they may have occurred.
I'm not that callous to ignore the alternative views. I just find some of the opinions here not necessarily very sympathetic to the elderly and the most vulnerable.
I was just stating my own personal position and how it has affected me.
Yes, I have found some of the comments heartless. Yours weren't.
You are just being a dick.
I certainly take your point about increased suicide rates and that is truly tragic. But the “set of lives” we have saved and continue to save has to factor in the potential/likely loss of life that would have resulted if we had of let the virus run rampant in the community. We only have to look at other countries to see the potential death toll we could have been looking at.
Let’s hope we can make suicide prevention an even greater priority and get vulnerable people the support they need in this next (and future) phase(s)of the COVID response and recovery.
It’s not an either/or. We can try to save both “sets of lives”.
Yes that may all be true but Gronk is claiming it as a fact that they are in recession, despite lacking the evidence, and trying to paint the picture that they are in the same boat as everyone else, despite evidence to the contrary.
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