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Seasons 2020 - 22 COVID-19 discussion thread

strider

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Guy I know in 50s. Double dosed.
Went bike riding and had heart attack.
Linked? How would you know?
one of the videos I posted last week - the dr dude said there are over 10,000 excess heart attacks in the UK this year ...... related? unrelated? dunno .... small amount? no one gives any f**ks? maybe
 

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no one gives any f**ks? maybe
You say that a lot lately. Are you implying a coverup? If 10,000 merkins died here immediately after a mRNA vaccine, Tracy Grimshaw would be all over it. You couldn’t silence 10,000 families if “fit” people were dying for no reason. I think the exaggeration of vaccine injuries has been done to death. Let. It. Go.
 

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You say that a lot lately. Are you implying a coverup? If 10,000 merkins died here immediately after a mRNA vaccine, Tracy Grimshaw would be all over it. You couldn’t silence 10,000 families if “fit” people were dying for no reason. I think the exaggeration of vaccine injuries has been done to death. Let. It. Go.
as I've said about a million times, its not all about death

people seem to think if you don't die with the needle hanging out of your arm then its all good
 

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as I've said about a million times, its not all about death

people seem to think if you don't die with the needle hanging out of your arm then its all good
Said nobody ever. A gross exaggeration of the circumstances to prove a point is lame.
 

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Here's another fun one for the WTF files ...


I don't watch this merkin's channel much, cos I find him a bit annoying - but it is about an aussie girl in melbourne so I started wtaching ..... over and hour - I had no intention of watching it all, but it just went on and on with wtf moments ..... it is mind boggling the brick walls put infront of this chick

So ...
- she is from melbourne ... has a catering business ... melbourne has a mandate that you cannot work outside your home if not fully vaxed
- she had a diagnosed problem with something I can't pronounce which is an ingredient of the 2 mRNA vaxes and something similar in AZ so been warned about that one too.
- has had anaphylaxic responses in the past
- diagnosed with some condition where she has problems with lots of normal stuff
- has even had bad response to epi pen and ended up in hospital

- naturally you would imagine she might be one of these "people we are protecting who can't get vaccinated"
- she goes to her long time GP to ask about an exemption .... GP says no cos of legal liability issues ..... WTF? .... I don't understand what liability that might be .... GP says go to epidemiologist and ask
- so she tries to organise an appointment with epidemiologist at a public hospital who has treated and diagnosed her in the past ..... told its a 12-24 month wait just to see them .... WTF? ... I know specialists can have wait times, but what? Can't fit here in?
- goes back to GP and asks again .... GP says she won't vax her cos too risky .... but she also won't exempt her .... WTF?
- tries to get appointment with a private epidemiologist .... 11 month wait
- ..... so can't work - too risky to vax - can't get an exemption
- posts on social media ..... apparently gets a bit viral .... others reply saying they have had similar experience
- somehow the public place that she couldn't get into contacts her - now run by some other organisation .... they question her diagnosis and she explains it was their hospital that did it ..... they then tell her, just come in and we will vax you safely - WTF? .... I assume they are saying, yeah sure you might have a real bad reaction but we won't let you die - seriously, wtf? Risk? No f**ks given? Can't the patient choose which risk is worse for them? We will injure you in one way so you don't maybe end up injured another way.
- somehow private epidemiologist gets to know of social post - fits her in ..... agrees should be exempt .... writes exemption, sends to some federal medicare thing for exemptions
- nothing comes of it .... eventually rings up medicare ..... told they can see her thing, looks fine, but backlog they are working through, should be there soon
- waits - nothing .... rings again .... this time told the thing dr sent was illegible (after previously being told its fine just delayed) - that they have contacted dr for new one
- waits - nothing .... eventually rings dr - they say they have never been contacted for a new one .... wtf?
- rings medicare again .... told oh yeah there's a new one but its now at end of backlog ..... but hang on dr never got request and never sent a new one ..... WTF? ...... surely this is just BS and being f**ked around
- somehow some Vic govt dept contacts her - says they will organise a temp thing - which they supposedly upload .... but turns out the temp thing is only for the two mRNA vax so ends up pointless - cos won't be accepted unless az also .... she can't figure out how to contact that agency to try and fix

I think this was mid Nov ..... no idea if eventually got sorted out ..... but FMD this episode sounds like enormous BS and a million brick walls being put in the way to stop her getting the exemption .... why? I can't believe its only govt agency incompetance (I'm sure some of that tho).

Are GPs a pointless waste of time .... if someone with your medical history cannot/will not apply for an exemption then wtf are they worth? .... I assume its somewhere up the food chain controlling them.

She also says at the end that even if she was to get an exemption from a GP, the new laws f**kwit Dan is pushing through will result in GP exemptions potentially being rendered invalid.

Just another one to file in the covid f**kwittery files.
 

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Here's another fun one for the WTF files ...


I don't watch this merkin's channel much, cos I find him a bit annoying - but it is about an aussie girl in melbourne so I started wtaching ..... over and hour - I had no intention of watching it all, but it just went on and on with wtf moments ..... it is mind boggling the brick walls put infront of this chick

So ...
- she is from melbourne ... has a catering business ... melbourne has a mandate that you cannot work outside your home if not fully vaxed
- she had a diagnosed problem with something I can't pronounce which is an ingredient of the 2 mRNA vaxes and something similar in AZ so been warned about that one too.
- has had anaphylaxic responses in the past
- diagnosed with some condition where she has problems with lots of normal stuff
- has even had bad response to epi pen and ended up in hospital

- naturally you would imagine she might be one of these "people we are protecting who can't get vaccinated"
- she goes to her long time GP to ask about an exemption .... GP says no cos of legal liability issues ..... WTF? .... I don't understand what liability that might be .... GP says go to epidemiologist and ask
- so she tries to organise an appointment with epidemiologist at a public hospital who has treated and diagnosed her in the past ..... told its a 12-24 month wait just to see them .... WTF? ... I know specialists can have wait times, but what? Can't fit here in?
- goes back to GP and asks again .... GP says she won't vax her cos too risky .... but she also won't exempt her .... WTF?
- tries to get appointment with a private epidemiologist .... 11 month wait
- ..... so can't work - too risky to vax - can't get an exemption
- posts on social media ..... apparently gets a bit viral .... others reply saying they have had similar experience
- somehow the public place that she couldn't get into contacts her - now run by some other organisation .... they question her diagnosis and she explains it was their hospital that did it ..... they then tell her, just come in and we will vax you safely - WTF? .... I assume they are saying, yeah sure you might have a real bad reaction but we won't let you die - seriously, wtf? Risk? No f**ks given? Can't the patient choose which risk is worse for them? We will injure you in one way so you don't maybe end up injured another way.
- somehow private epidemiologist gets to know of social post - fits her in ..... agrees should be exempt .... writes exemption, sends to some federal medicare thing for exemptions
- nothing comes of it .... eventually rings up medicare ..... told they can see her thing, looks fine, but backlog they are working through, should be there soon
- waits - nothing .... rings again .... this time told the thing dr sent was illegible (after previously being told its fine just delayed) - that they have contacted dr for new one
- waits - nothing .... eventually rings dr - they say they have never been contacted for a new one .... wtf?
- rings medicare again .... told oh yeah there's a new one but its now at end of backlog ..... but hang on dr never got request and never sent a new one ..... WTF? ...... surely this is just BS and being f**ked around
- somehow some Vic govt dept contacts her - says they will organise a temp thing - which they supposedly upload .... but turns out the temp thing is only for the two mRNA vax so ends up pointless - cos won't be accepted unless az also .... she can't figure out how to contact that agency to try and fix

I think this was mid Nov ..... no idea if eventually got sorted out ..... but FMD this episode sounds like enormous BS and a million brick walls being put in the way to stop her getting the exemption .... why? I can't believe its only govt agency incompetance (I'm sure some of that tho).

Are GPs a pointless waste of time .... if someone with your medical history cannot/will not apply for an exemption then wtf are they worth? .... I assume its somewhere up the food chain controlling them.

She also says at the end that even if she was to get an exemption from a GP, the new laws f**kwit Dan is pushing through will result in GP exemptions potentially being rendered invalid.

Just another one to file in the covid f**kwittery files.

How do you know what's being said here is accurate? You've got to take her at her word.

I mean for a start, Epidemiologists in general do not see individual patients, it's just not what they do. She most certainly would not be seeing one for an anaphylaxis based exemption, and there is zero chance she saw one a coupla years ago for a "diagnoses" of any kind, as again, that's just not what they do.
 

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How do you know what's being said here is accurate? You've got to take her at her word.

I mean for a start, Epidemiologists in general do not see individual patients, it's just not what they do. She most certainly would not be seeing one for an anaphylaxis based exemption, and there is zero chance she saw one a coupla years ago for a "diagnoses" of any kind, as again, that's just not what they do.
Sorry, my f**k up ... i just watched a bit of it again to check what she said it was ... clinical immunologist
 

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So my best guess here, assuming most of what she says is true ( an assumption based on no real evidence ), and going off how you're telling it, is that she's got an issue that's known with the mRNA vaccines, but not the AZ, that one's a maybe? So GP can't sign off on it

The exemption is a federal thing, and the requirement is an issue with all of the vaccines.....


.........so no zemption until the issue with the AZ is certified / known.

Looking at her socials, Linked in, Twitter, Facebook, she's definitely in the "freedumbs" crowd, so I think it'd be fair to expect she'd be presenting her story from that angle, remembering all we have to go on here is her representation of events, which even if she's being honest, are still going to be presented through the lens of her own bias, which includes her interpretation of those events.

Now I aint saying it's unlikely she's been run around on this, I mean it's dealing with the government so there's that, but what I am saying is it's just as likely that she's not telling the whole story here either, so I wouldn't be taking any of it as proof of anything.
 

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Coulda also been that he just had a heart attack, given heart disease is the leading cause of death in Australia, and we're around 75% fully vaxxed for folks over 15, it'd stand to reason that that 3/4 of deaths by any means for that demographic would now be after folks had been vaxxed, and the leading cause of those deaths would heart disease.
 

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It would be interesting to see stats on heart issues. As mentioned, dr in video said UK had 10x incidence of heart attack in 2021 ... note not necessarily death.

He said not to jump to conclusions, heart issues have many causes including stress and its been stressful, it needs investigation. ... fair enough.

But i would say 2020 would have been equally if not more stressful. And if its long covid then it would have been observed in 2020 aswell cos there was alot of covid in 2020. What was the excess incidence in UK in 2020? No one mentioned it ..... does australia have any excess?
 

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It would be interesting to see stats on heart issues. As mentioned, dr in video said UK had 10x incidence of heart attack in 2021 ... note not necessarily death.

He said not to jump to conclusions, heart issues have many causes including stress and its been stressful, it needs investigation. ... fair enough.

But i would say 2020 would have been equally if not more stressful. And if its long covid then it would have been observed in 2020 aswell cos there was alot of covid in 2020. What was the excess incidence in UK in 2020? No one mentioned it ..... does australia have any excess?
Heart foundation says you should get vaxxed to avoid heart attack.

Key takeaways​

  • If you have cardiovascular disease, you are at higher risk of serious complications from COVID-19, including having to go to hospital.
  • It’s important you get your flu and COVID-19 vaccines to protect yourself and people around you.
  • Stay healthy by making positive behaviour changes. These include eating a heart-healthy diet and being physically active.

 

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100% ... dr prosperity pointed out in a video I posted months ago that its now most widely recognised that covid is a circulatory disease not a respiratory disease - you should have watched it

does anyone think its a concern that the things that are all long covid or whatever name you wanna give it and also the things that are observed as bad side effects of the vax? ..... you didn't get yours naturally? well here's a dose you might be able to get it from instead


anyway - back to the stats that might tell a story one way or another .... it would be nice to see em
 

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Heart foundation says you should get vaxxed to avoid heart attack.

Key takeaways​

  • If you have cardiovascular disease, you are at higher risk of serious complications from COVID-19, including having to go to hospital.
  • It’s important you get your flu and COVID-19 vaccines to protect yourself and people around you.
  • Stay healthy by making positive behaviour changes. These include eating a heart-healthy diet and being physically active.


  • It’s important you get your flu and COVID-19 vaccines to protect yourself and people around you.

so I have to put on sunscreen so you don't get skin cancer?
 

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