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Seasons 2020 - 22 COVID-19 discussion thread

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You've not heard or read anyone claiming that Delta is a danger to young people? And that they should get vaccinated? Yet the median age of deaths has risen from 82 to 86. Don't be silly.
Delta is 7x more contagious. Which means that it has a greater reach and hence will infect more people than alpha.

I guess that technically makes it more dangerous.


The main reason why young people should get vaccinated is because they won't stay f**king home and are the super spreaders. If we get them vaccinated then we'll be far better off then the dirty grubs can go crazy.

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Unvaccinated nurses bring heart procedures to standstill in Sydney hospital

By Lucy Carroll and Mary Ward
September 17, 2021 — 5.00am


A dozen of the state’s top cardiologists were forced into isolation and multiple urgent heart procedures cancelled after two unvaccinated nurses worked while infectious with COVID-19 at a major Sydney hospital.

Critical procedures, including angiograms, pacemakers, stent and valve replacements, were called off at St Vincent’s Hospital in Darlinghurst last week after the nurses worked shifts across at least four cardiac wards.

 
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Delta is 7x more contagious. Which means that it has a greater reach and hence will infect more people than alpha.

I guess that technically makes it more dangerous.


The main reason why young people should get vaccinated is because they won't stay f**king home and are the super spreaders. If we get them vaccinated then we'll be far better off then the dirty grubs can go crazy.

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If it was 7x more contagious then that would have been borne out in the global numbers.
 

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If it was 7x more contagious then that would have been borne out in the global numbers.
Have you conducted any statistical analysis of the Northern Beaches alpha cluster compared to the North Bondi delta cluster ?

Anyway I heard a merkin say it was7x. In the meantime it's 50% more transmissible. How about that ?

Experts estimate it could be about 50 per cent more transmissible than the Alpha variant, which was already about 50 per cent more transmissible than the original virus found in Wuhan.


Or actually twice as transmissible

 

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Common sense tells you that the things that don't appear to have worked anywhere else have worked spectacularly well here. Okay.

They seem to have worked similarly well in NZ. Perhaps there's more commonality between Aus & NZ's approach and the factors that influence it as opposed to seemingly similar approaches elsewhere?
 
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They seem to have worked similarly well in NZ. Perhaps there's more commonality between Aus & NZ's approach and the factors that influence it as opposed to seemingly similar approaches elsewhere?
I think it's more likely due to being islands in the middle of nowhere and in a similar location. All the other NPI's were tried all over the place and the evidence of their benefit is practically non existent. But even if you want to say that they might work then you'd have to agree they would only work a little bit. So far not even measurable. So it can't account for the large differences we've seen in ANZ and elsewhere.
 

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I think it's more likely due to being islands in the middle of nowhere and in a similar location. All the other NPI's were tried all over the place and the evidence of their benefit is practically non existent. But even if you want to say that they might work then you'd have to agree they would only work a little bit. So far not even measurable. So it can't account for the large differences we've seen in ANZ and elsewhere.

Of course our ability to stop the disease at our borders is paramount to slowing or stopping the disease, and has been the cornerstone of our success in controlling it's entry into the country, however once here, and running wild, that advantage is lost without further measures to contain it.

And that's key to making comparisons with other jurisdictions employing similar measures, they still lack that cornerstone, the disease still crosses the lines on the map.

The difference in disease rates is chalk and cheese, and not because of some great unknown, it's because we get an immeasurably beneficial head start due to our ability to control the diseases entry into our country.

Again though, you simply leave it at that and rest on that laurel, and once the line in the map is breached consider it done, you give up that advantage, because you can't keep out what is already in.

Your obsession with making comparisons with other countries, whilst as the above demonstrates, you understand the uniqueness of our situation underpins the success of these measures is frustrating, because it seems you simply refuse to acknowledge the importance of a concept that you can clearly grasp as being an important influence on the effectiveness of other measures
 

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The side effect of the Pfizer vaccine is the inflammation of the heart or myocarditis. This is true, however…

 
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