Discussion in 'New Zealand Warriors and NZRL' started by Iron Lion, Jun 10, 2019.
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“Iron lion to debut after watmough signing goes sour”.
You wouldn't want the Iron Lion in the team. He would upset the bro culture with some very direct talk.
There may be punch ups inside the squad before the Roosters sign Iron Lion on a life-changing deal.
Oooh oohh better than Green.
To be honest Mr Angry I haven't seen any improvement since Stacey joined the coaches.
To be fair though, the hypothesis that he's a better coach than Kearney isn't a silly one
I cannot argue, but not in charge either.
But yeah, not helping it seems.
Neither is Brian, I am at a loss for an answer.
Well starts with the potato.
Hey much could you use him now?
Johns has Ponga...
“Gerrard Beale. Safe with good ball skills. Yeah safe with Kearneys balls in his mouth.“
Perham looks like he has swallowed a whale frankly. His speed seems down too.
Listened to a podcast with Kevin Campion. He mentioned that when he was at the club it seemed to go well because it had a mix of Australians to lead the way, yet I look at this mob and mostly it’s Kiwi lads (and it seems that’s the recruitment strategy too).
He mentioned when he was back as an assistant coach he found the young local lads seemed to think they’d made it and didn’t need to put the hard yards in to prepare.
I wonder if over a decade on from Kevs time at the club that he’s still right on the mark. Dollar for dollar it’s probably true that Kiwi lads will come here or play here for less on average. But you look at this weeks team, we have Green, Burr and Lawton, and locals.
Perhaps the kiwis only approach would work if the local comp was as hard nailsed as it was back in the day. But from what I can see it seems a massive step up even into reserve grade where we are regularly getting belted.
If I go back and this may be simplistic, but the successful Warriors teams have had tough as teak Australians. Whether it be Campion, Cleary, Carlaw, Marsh, Steve Price, George Gatis, Mick Luck, James Maloney...
I'd love to see some stats, number of Aussies in the team and position on the ladder.
It is hard to judge character/quality of Aussie players vs pure quantity though.
I sent Jim Doyle an email when the club began this "Recruit Kiwi" campaign asking if it was now club policy.
His reply, which I posted on here, was that they would recruit the best they could get.
So either the overseas players don't want to come here or they want massive overs to come. (Though Blair hardly seems like a bargain.)The coach would have a say in this as well.
We used to be overflowing with second string Aussies, now I would think they would walk into the starting side.
I think it is a recruitment thing, we seem to be obsessed with getting kiwis into the side where as you say in the past we were at our best with a decent smattering of Australian's in the side as well. They certainly don't need to be superstars either just handy players that for one reason or another keep missing out on a regular first grade spot. For example James Maloney wasn't wanted by any other NRL club at one point we took him probably because we were desperate for a number 6 and he was desperate for a gig but while he was here it worked well for both parties.
I'm not fussed if we sign a few Australians that want to use us as a stepping stone to get to another club (some will stay some wont) as long as they put in while they are here and maybe ,just maybe inspire some of the local players to step up.I think when you boil it down fans don't really care where our players are from so long as they are wearing the jersey with pride and we're on the right side of the scoreboard.
On a side note when the new owners took over I was terrified to hear one of them say that they wanted to ditch reserve grade and pull players out of the local comp to throw straight into the first grade side, not the way to go if you want a good long term career.
It's spot on - not so much about Aussies per se, for me it's more about those that have had to work hard to get there, and have the fundamental skills and mental toughness to do the little things. It seems to come too easy for the Kiwi kids in the lower grades, they lack the fundamental skills and work ethic, and struggle at the top end - and don't seem to handle adversity well
Tohu Harris and RTS don't take short cuts, and offer everything that those Aussies did (perhaps with the exception of the leadership of Campion, Price, and Luck - to some extent anyway in that the Aussies tend to back up their play with a strong verbal presence).
Big Adam presumably was signed for similar reasons, but I can only assume that nobody had actually been watching him play... even at the Broncos he was pretty shithouse, but clearly he's a bit of a downhill skier - has been good/decent when surrounded by talent, when supposed to be a leader he's largely invisible on field. s I've said elsewhere, Newcastle must be smiling so hard on the inside that they 'lost' the battle for him lol
I have said this time and time again.
The warriors should be actively targetting 2 - 3 rugby converts (Grown men not kids) from the local provincial competition every year to train preseason with them.
There is a MASSIVE talent base of rugby players in New Zealand. It's ENORMOUS.
Players coming through the high school structures into New Zealand provincial rugby have higher skill levels. They do the basics extremely well and they all cant be super rugby players or All Blacks.
Other NRL teams scout Fiji and the islands.
The Warriors are ignoring the greatest player growth nursery in their own back yard.
Here is an example of players they should be after
Quinn Tupaea (PRIORITY TARGET) THROW THE CASH!
Warriors have simply got it wrong. They should be raiding rugby ranks. Yes, you win some lose some but at the end of the day. ALL THE TALENT IS IN RUGBY. SO [email protected]#KING SIGN THEM UP.
I agree but even then they need to be thorough with their analysis of who and how far up their union recruit is compared to what we already have. You don't want to pick someone and keep saying "see he's good, he's good", when in actuality, he's only slightly better than who he replaced. The scouting needs to be on point.
I agree. The analysis would need to be accurate.
The thinking process around this is The New Zealand Rugby investment in their development systems has done the core skill work. These players already have a rock solid base to work from.
Warriors have been trying to sign 16 - 18 year olds.
Their focus should be on 20 - 24-year-olds.
Forget the next young rock star. Sign players who are talented and good to go now.
Then put them in the fire pan and see who can respond. You wouldn't think it is rocket science right?
So why should the Warriors target provincial rugby players in the 20 - 24 year age group?
These players have already worked with high-level systematic coaches
They are educated to professional work standards and will have a higher work ethic
They have come from an ultra-competitive environment.
They understand core duties in their roles
They are drilled to compete
They understand stats and their importance
They are wanting an opportunity to break out and be 'known'
You have to worry less about player development and more about actual coaching strategy
Physically they are better developed due to the fierce competition they have already faced
Their conditioning is likely to be higher
They want to be stars
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