Should there be 2 teams in Brisbane?

[docbrown]

That is my problem with the "We must get another Qld team no matter what!" brigade. Where in Qld? Brisbane, where there is big talk and promises from Craig Davison but 0 fans, where they are selling themselves on the idea that people who dislike the Broncos for being an artificial franchise will get behind........another artificial franchise.

Not that I'm agreeing 100% with the Bombers bid (the name is stupid) but technically all teams are artificial because they all have to be created from nothing.

Say for instance the Bears never existed, would we be seeing an "artificial" Central Coast bid at some point? Absolutely. There was a push for it back in the 70s/early 80s.

There is a big enough population in Brisbane who like Rugby League but don't support the Broncos and could support a second team. It's about connecting a proportion of those 700,000 people who watch Origin but don't watch Broncos matches.

Most importantly it's a matter of creating a club that engages with the population.

 

[rednblack]

:roll:
Went over your head I see.

The NRL will not expand until 2015...
...the fact that there will be an extra game to sell is certain.

Since when?
Has the question of "if" been answered this afternoon?

 

[Loudstrat]

That is my problem with the "We must get another Qld team no matter what!" brigade. Where in Qld? Brisbane, where there is big talk and promises from Craig Davison but 0 fans, where they are selling themselves on the idea that people who dislike the Broncos for being an artificial franchise will get behind........another artificial franchise.

Ipswich has no money or much in the way of public support, ditto Logan, and Central Queensland has a good bid and support, but no suitable ground ready to go, and their bid still has quite a bit of work to do on it before it's at the level of the Bears or the Reds.

But there are people on here who would back a pub side from Tiaro funded off chook raffles getting admitted into the NRL over a bid like the Bears, because there are "Too many Sydney teams/ NSW teams" (it changes from one to the other, depending on what suits their argument at the time).

Hopefully, the people who are left with making the decisions use a bit more logic and common sense...

 

[Goddo]

• The addition of extra teams does not in any way have a negative effect on any other club

Are you aware that the only bid that meets the Loudtart criteria is Perth?

The Bears bid FAILS on the above criteria. Theres this thing called ecconomics you see...

 

[Goddo]

Not that I'm agreeing 100% with the Bombers bid (the name is stupid) but technically all teams are artificial because they all have to be created from nothing.

Say for instance the Bears never existed, would we be seeing an "artificial" Central Coast bid at some point? Absolutely. There was a push for it back in the 70s/early 80s.

There is a big enough population in Brisbane who like Rugby League but don't support the Broncos and could support a second team. It's about connecting a proportion of those 700,000 people who watch Origin but don't watch Broncos matches.

Most importantly it's a matter of creating a club that engages with the population.

If it were down to location as determining factor there would be no contest.

CC may want a team, but it is an inferior location to Perth, Brisbane, Wellington, et cetera.

The only thing keeping them in the race is the heart strings argument about reviving the Bears. Now that some alternative bids have been put forward it has shone a light on the deficiencies of the Bears.

 

[Loudstrat]

If it were down to location as determining factor there would be no contest.

CC may want a team, but it is an inferior location to Perth, Brisbane, Wellington, et cetera.

The only thing keeping them in the race is the heart strings argument about reviving the Bears. Now that some alternative bids have been put forward it has shone a light on the deficiencies of the Bears.

:lol: What crap. They are the only bid ready to go that has everything a club needs - stadium, fans, corporate structure, developed junior structure, council backing. The tie in with a large abandoned chunk of metropolitan area is merely a bonus.

The Bears bid FAILS on the above criteria. Theres this thing called ecconomics you see...

What club will the Bears bid impact on? The Bombers bid is entirely based on taking fans out of the Broncos teritiry, without creating one of their own!!!

And love that you mentioned economics. You do know that there is a League heartland area of 1 million people ready to be added to the NRL's economic umbrella stretching from Kirribilli to Doyalson? You do realise that people pay money for things like tickets, merchandise, and that it's all to do with having a POPULATION, not just a postcode?

Knightmare hit the nail on the head when he said that if that same chunk of milion people with it's stadium were represented by the Bears bid in QLD you'd be jizzing all over it!

F*cking postcodephobes!

You do realise the postcode argument is the most stupid one - oh hang on - Bears hater...........:roll:

 

[bobmar28]

That is my problem with the "We must get another Qld team no matter what!" brigade. Where in Qld? Brisbane, where there is big talk and promises from Craig Davison but 0 fans, where they are selling themselves on the idea that people who dislike the Broncos for being an artificial franchise will get behind........another artificial franchise.

Ipswich has no money or much in the way of public support, ditto Logan, and Central Queensland has a good bid and support, but no suitable ground ready to go, and their bid still has quite a bit of work to do on it before it's at the level of the Bears or the Reds.

But there are people on here who would back a pub side from Tiaro funded off chook raffles getting admitted into the NRL over a bid like the Bears, because there are "Too many Sydney teams/ NSW teams" (it changes from one to the other, depending on what suits their argument at the time).

Hopefully, the people who are left with making the decisions use a bit more logic and common sense...

What kind of logic is it to add an 11th team in NSW -10th in the Sydney region - when the aim is to expand the competition. I would call that contraction not expansion.


Kirribilli ..... league heartland, LOL.

 

[Joker's Wild]

You carried on like a religious nutter about how the Bombers were guaranteed of success because there were lots of people in Brisbane who didnt like the Broncos. This in response to my suggestion that three other alternatives from the Brisbane Metropolitan area were more viable. You made the point about Brisbane's population - but that point could easuly be made about Logan, Ipswitch or Redcliffe (I mention them because of their existing stature in the game up there and the fact that they are already up and running - despite the obvious cash injection into their home ground and corporate infrastructure). You ignored all but the Bombers bid.

lol The only one that is carrying on like a nutter is you old man

a) I never said they were guaranteed anything. I stated that I believed, through my experiences of living here in Brissy, that there would be enough support to sustain a Brisbane 2 side.

b) I have no issue with any side that would be brought in anywhere around the Brisbane area be it Brisbane 2, Ipswich, Logan, Redcliffe or Capalaba. I felt no need to talk about any of those bids because you were only attacking the credibility of the Brisbane 2 bid saying that there would be no support for them. I argued different.

Next time actually read, then think about whats been written in front of you instead of flying off on your little high horse, flaming anyone who happens to contradict your views.

 

[Loudstrat]

What kind of logic is it to add an 11th team in NSW -10th in the Sydney region - when the aim is to expand the competition. I would call that contraction not expansion.


Kirribilli ..... league heartland, LOL.

Of course there is absolutely no sense putting a club where people are. It would be far better plonking one in Broome. That way we can say "National comp" and we will all be rich ](*,)

lol The only one that is carrying on like a nutter is you old man

a) I never said they were guaranteed anything. I stated that I believed, through my experiences of living here in Brissy, that there would be enough support to sustain a Brisbane 2 side.

b) I have no issue with any side that would be brought in anywhere around the Brisbane area be it Brisbane 2, Ipswich, Logan, Redcliffe or Capalaba. I felt no need to talk about any of those bids because you were only attacking the credibility of the Brisbane 2 bid saying that there would be no support for them. I argued different.

Next time actually read, then think about whats been written in front of you instead of flying off on your little high horse, flaming anyone who happens to contradict your views.

Interesting take - considering you started the antagonism between us when you posted -

Its funny seeing some pro-Bears posters in here look for any reason to knock down other bids, knowing that they have lost the battle against the Reds and are staring down the barrel of coming 3rd in a 2 position race

A quick straw poll of this thread shows that it's Queenslanders and Reds supporters knocking the Bears bid on the ridiculous postcode theory. No pro Bears forummer is knocking everything else. All I have done is throw up shortcomings of the ridiculous Bombers bid.. FFS I'm even advocating Redcliffe get a team in the NRL!

Even died in the wool NSW haters like Fourex can see the stupidity of the Bombers bid!!!!!!

If people like you were around in 1988, Newcastle would never have gotten in. Wrong postcode, too close to Sydney, another NSW side blah blah blah

 

[Brutus]

I can see why Loudy is such a John Ribot fan lol

 

[Goddo]

What is the point of expansion Loudstrat? Why should we expand?

 

[Loudstrat]

Thats you Brutus. When you are not spanking over Union or trying to unstick your Ben Cousins poster book.

 

[Valheru]

A 2nd Brisbane team would definitely increase revenue for the game and the idea looks good on the surface. However, the question of the influence of the Broncos and where the fans will come from has to be addressed.

Without being familiar with the geography/demography of Brisbane is there (a) an area that disassociates itself with the rest of Brisbane and would support a new (more local) team or (b) is there enough dislike of the Broncos in Brisbane (for whatever reason) that a viable alternative is wanted?

 

[Loudstrat]

What is the point of expansion Loudstrat? Why should we expand?

The way I see it is to get more people through turnstiles.

The way you see it is to have evenly spaced dots on the map.

If this was a retail franchise and there was a huge untapped market, with the infrastructure in place just outside our nucleus, or further afield markets -all but one are smaller, with little infrastructure and a high failure rate, there would be no debate. CC first - then look at the rest.

Logistics suggest these things have to go in tandem, so it has to be CC and Perth now. SEQ later when they can get their act together.

Whats the point of ignoring a huge area ready to go?

I can honestly not understand how you morons want to knock back ANY viable bid - especially with aggressive competitors in the sporting marketplace!

 

[Brutus]

What is the point of expansion Loudstrat? Why should we expand?

So NSW can get another team becuz NSW is a big state and loves rugby league.

Cowra deserves a team too.

 

[Loudstrat]

A 2nd Brisbane team would definitely increase revenue for the game and the idea looks good on the surface. However, the question of the influence of the Broncos and where the fans will come from has to be addressed.

Without being familiar with the geography/demography of Brisbane is there (a) an area that disassociates itself with the rest of Brisbane and would support a new (more local) team or (b) is there enough dislike of the Broncos in Brisbane (for whatever reason) that a viable alternative is wanted?

Product differentiation is an essential facet of any markeing ploy. The SEQ bid is just a Broncos clone, for people who dont like what they are cloning. Jeez - Ham sandwiches are not a hit in Jerusalem, so instead, lets ell ham sandwiches............:crazy:

The Broncos have Brisbane central covered. It HAS to come from the extremeties - Logan, Ipswich, Redcliffe. Is there any other place that could be considered? Wynnum? Bribie? F*ck knows, but even before they solve the problems of grounds, corporate support etc etc etc, they need to get that right.

As far as I am concerned, the Bombers bid is destabilising any other Brisbane based bid from getting up. If Queenslanders are serious about a second Brisbane side, they have to come together behind Logan or Ipswich or Redcliffe. Anyone who is against that is against another side in SEQ. You cant back three bids for one spot.

 

[Loudstrat]

So NSW can get another team becuz NSW is a big state and loves rugby league.

Cowra deserves a team too.

We have already worked out that chronic glue sniffing has severely eroded your brain. Go and produce sperm over the thought of a bid from Birdsville. Its postcode dosnt start with "2". Therefore guaranteed of success.

 

[Goddo]

The way I see it is to get more people through turnstiles.

Ok, the best place to do that would be another team in Suncorp.

The way you see it is to have evenly spaced dots on the map.

You forgot to add your usual swearing, slander and personal attacks.

If this was a retail franchise and there was a huge untapped market, with the infrastructure in place just outside our nucleus, or further afield markets -all but one are smaller, with little infrastructure and a high failure rate, there would be no debate. CC first - then look at the rest.

But you are wrong in your initial assessment of the market place. The market involves various aspects, but is predominantly driven by TV rights. That isn't an overstatement. Its a fact - the game derives its value from selling media rights.

The game has grown to the point that in order to continue to grow revenue it must expand its reach to improve its financial clout.

The GAME (ie not individual fans of clubs) doesn't need any more NSW sides. It certainly needs at least Perth, another South Queensland side and down the track Wellington.

There is no money to be made by expanding 70kms down the road when there are already 10 clubs within a 100km radius. Without bringing substancial TV revenue to the table the Bears are a non-starter.

Logistics suggest these things have to go in tandem, so it has to be CC and Perth now. SEQ later when they can get their act together.

So you only include Perth because its the only way to accomodate the Bears? That is stupid.

You do realise that there are a finite amount of players, sponsors and fans? The game must tap into as big a market as it possibly can with the resources available to it.

Having more than half the competition within 100km of Sydney is STUPID. The game won't be able to tap into other markets effectively, reducing the fan and sponsor support of the game possible. And as such the players wages and quality of the game suffers. Which further reduces public demand.

All you end up with is a Sydney metro cup comp like the Shute Shield. This is what will happen if the game ignores big, interstate growth markets. Its what you want though isn't it? League like in the 70s right? Meanwhile the whole world passes you by and the game dies.

Notice anything about the way every other football code is expanding? All trying to improve market reach, not contract it.

Whats the point of ignoring a huge area ready to go?

I can honestly not understand how you morons want to knock back ANY viable bid - especially with aggressive competitors in the sporting marketplace!

I knew you couldn't get through a post with calling anyone with a different opinion a name. Moron is quite restrained for you.

 

[Goddo]

Product differentiation is an essential facet of any markeing ploy. The SEQ bid is just a Broncos clone, for people who dont like what they are cloning. Jeez - Ham sandwiches are not a hit in Jerusalem, so instead, lets ell ham sandwiches............:crazy:

The Broncos have Brisbane central covered. It HAS to come from the extremeties - Logan, Ipswich, Redcliffe. Is there any other place that could be considered? Wynnum? Bribie? F*ck knows, but even before they solve the problems of grounds, corporate support etc etc etc, they need to get that right.

As far as I am concerned, the Bombers bid is destabilising any other Brisbane based bid from getting up. If Queenslanders are serious about a second Brisbane side, they have to come together behind Logan or Ipswich or Redcliffe. Anyone who is against that is against another side in SEQ. You cant back three bids for one spot.

The fact there are 3 South Queensland bids currently simply demonstrates how much demand there is for more teams there.

Queensland must get another side. There is too many fans, sponsors, players and TV dollars there to ignore it anymore. The Broncos monopoly can not be allowed to continue.

Perth also must get a side - its an Oztam capital with a unique timeslot that has developed its own bid (around what you would have called a "fake" club, the Reds from 1995).

Plonking a side between Newcastle and Sydney just so Bears fans get a warm fuzzy feeling isn't a good idea. I am not anti-Bears.

It just doesn't make sense at all to expand in Gosford.

 

[Goddo]

Product differentiation is an essential facet of any markeing ploy. The SEQ bid is just a Broncos clone, for people who dont like what they are cloning. Jeez - Ham sandwiches are not a hit in Jerusalem, so instead, lets ell ham sandwiches............:crazy:

The Broncos have Brisbane central covered. It HAS to come from the extremeties - Logan, Ipswich, Redcliffe. Is there any other place that could be considered? Wynnum? Bribie? F*ck knows, but even before they solve the problems of grounds, corporate support etc etc etc, they need to get that right.

As far as I am concerned, the Bombers bid is destabilising any other Brisbane based bid from getting up. If Queenslanders are serious about a second Brisbane side, they have to come together behind Logan or Ipswich or Redcliffe. Anyone who is against that is against another side in SEQ. You cant back three bids for one spot.

I agree that the next Queensland side has to have a point of difference with the Broncos, which is why I support the Ipswich-Logan Western Corridor bid. You should too.