soul v triplets

[millersnose]

one of the recurring themes here is what constitutes good music or a good player

one school of thought seems to be 'technical ability' determines a good player

one beleives it is the soul and groove of that music which makes it good

obviously commercially some of the greatest sellers are platers which you really cant describe as 'fast' or 'technically brilliant' but they sell well because they have a lot more soul or emotion in their music

check

hendrix v vai

page v malmstream

gilmour v whatever hair fast triplet player you would like to name


for me music is about soul and emotion - sometimes the 2 can meet - but soul and emotion are the first and formost requirement of good music

what about you?

 

[Samwise]

Soul, sound, feel, creativity, whatever you want to call it determines good music
technical ability determines a good player
you can be a good guitar player yet still write sh*t music.

 

[Simo]

Of course soul and emotion (or a solo that fits and adds to the music) is a must.

But I think Millers, the debate you will start here is that players like Vai do/dont have soul or emotion.

Just because they play fast doesnt mean it doesnt have soul or emotion.

Also the other problem with the matchups is that players like Page, Hendrix and Gilmour were in massively popular bands that had cool music and as such they play solos/riffs and stuff to aid a song.

Vai and Malmsteem etc are known for their solo work more so than the crap bands they were in and as such the guitar has to do all the talking so to speak whereas with a band its the vocals doing the main talking and the guitars adding to it.

EVH is an exception to that.

Could Gilmour/Page do a solo album as successfully as Vai? Could Vai, if in a good band such as floyd or zep do as well? I reckon a bit of both, some could some couldnt.

 

[millersnose]

well simo page and gilmour have both done solo work far more interesting than anything i have ever heard from vai

and i am not saying technical ability cannot contain soul

as far as guitar players go these guys dont come anywhere near some of the jazz greats and some of the jazz greats like benson will still produce great popular music

 

[Simo]

well simo page and gilmour have both done solo work far more interesting than anything i have ever heard from vai

and i am not saying technical ability cannot contain soul

as far as guitar players go these guys dont come anywhere near some of the jazz greats and some of the jazz greats like benson will still produce great popular music

Yeah? Guitar solo albums? Got any album names for me to check out?

 

[millersnose]

no

not guitar solo albums

good examples of what i am talking about was pages collaboration with a bunch of north african musicians which turned into a huge tour and gilmours unplugged series where he used a 10 voice choir in place of a symph and his last solo album - which was a collection of songs and only a few instrumentals

it was something new


all i hear from vai and all those guys is the same psuedo bach rip offs

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I'm with Millers on this one: while technicality can often add something extra to music, if it doesn't get the feel right it's pointless. That said I do like some pretty technical stuff.

 

[carcharias]

Some of the greatest songs ever written are quite simple.
Millers likes Floyd...I love them .
wish you were is a beautiful song that has about 4 easy chords.

without a doubt it is the hook before anything else.
By hook I mean the feel , the blue note in an opening riff , the lyric that makes you think ..''man , thats right''.

 

[Simo]

Millers,
I think there is a big difference in writing instrumental V songs with lyrics and in regards to Vai its a bit hard to compare an instrumental to a Vocal song.

Point taken though about creating something totally different, I havent heard any of Gilmours solo stuff, shall try to find some of the unplugged series to test it out.

SM,
I think everyone will agree with your statement, I know I do. Being tricky if it doesnt suit a song harms rather than adds to the song. The argument will be who considers what meaningful and what meaningless.

Carc,
Wish you were hear is a great song and quite possibly my fav of Floyds (brings back some teenage memories when I first got into that song!) but if im going to be completely honest the intro bores me a little and I tend to fast forward it to get to the song proper. I know theres a lot of Floyd lovers hear who will probably spit out there coffee and sentence me to death but thats my opinion on that particular intro.

 

[millersnose]

Millers,
I think there is a big difference in writing instrumental V songs with lyrics and in regards to Vai its a bit hard to compare an instrumental to a Vocal song.

i dont think so

instrumentals can be goos as well


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SM,
I think everyone will agree with your statement, I know I do. Being tricky if it doesnt suit a song harms rather than adds to the song. The argument will be who considers what meaningful and what meaningless.

i think ultimately the market will decide

as some one once said 'all that media stuff is irrelevant ...if they dont like the concert they wont come again"

Carc,
Wish you were hear is a great song and quite possibly my fav of Floyds (brings back some teenage memories when I first got into that song!) but if im going to be completely honest the intro bores me a little and I tend to fast forward it to get to the song proper. I know theres a lot of Floyd lovers hear who will probably spit out there coffee and sentence me to death but thats my opinion on that particular intro.

its quite a dull little song overplayed on the radio

and the only really interesting thing is the scatting in the middle between guitar and voice

the song on that album before it, have a cigar, is so much better and more original

 

[carcharias]

WYWH lyrics are brilliant ...only Waters could come out with that .

It is over played yes...but I remember when I first heard it and it was superb.

Levi stubbs tears by Billy Bragg is another simple yet brilliant song (lyric wise)

hey millers...Foo Fighters covered have a cigar....a pretty good version that sticks close to the original.