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  1. LeagueXIII

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    Anyone know the current state of league in South Africa?
     
  2. adamkungl

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    I know they're playing a WC Qualifier in June...

    Otherwise same old story I think
     
  3. miguel de cervantes

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    such a mysterious beast is SA rugby league. hopefully the new activity further north will give them more games and raise the profile a bit.
     
  4. adamkungl

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    The Nigeria development gives some hope.
    The only way the powers-that-be in SA will ever give RL any attention is if there's some benefit in it for them. Aus, England and NZ are never (in the forseeable future) gonna bring any big games to SA.
    More opportunities closer to home and closer to their level might open things up a bit.
     
  5. yakstorm

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    So in the 2018/19 South African Club Season:

    Gauteng Rhino Cup:
    University of Pretoria Tuks Red defeated University of Pretoria Tuks Blue in the Final 55 - 22.

    Elsburg Bears were Minor Premiers in the Regular Season.

    Other participants included Pretoria Bulls, Silverton Silverbacks, Pretoria Bulls Blue, Mustangs (Johannesburg) and Potch Dorp.

    Mpumalanga Cup:
    The Loskop Leopards defeated the Middelburg Broncos 57 - 30 in the Final.

    Other participants were the Ermelo Tomahawks and Kriel Roosters.

    Western Cape:
    The Cape Wizards (Cape Town) and Helderberg Dynamiters played a series of games with the Dynamiters I believe winning the regional title.

    Provincial Cup:
    The Northern Bulls won the 2019 title after defeating the Mpumalanga Panthers (winners in 17 & 18). Other participants were the Limpopo Bisons and Eastern Eagles.

    Other non-Cup matches were played with the Border Buffalos taking on the Western Cape Bulldogs earlier in the year and the Mpumalanga Panthers traveling West next month.
     
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    "The meeting also accepted into associate membership South African Rugby League. The application was made under the terms of the requirements of the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC) which directs that all similar sports fall under one national mother body."

    Interesting.
    Even if you assume a selfish motive, it could play out in different ways.

    SA Rugby might use it as a way to keep League under the thumb. Seems somewhat unnecessary though, since League had basically no traction anyway, and no path to improvement without government support. Giving a membership to League surely gives it more legitimacy than ignoring it entirely.

    With the above in mind, maybe SA Rugby sees some appeal in being a force in both codes? SA is one country where it would take relatively little to improve League from obscure minnows to a Cup level force. Acting in the best interests of South African sport, rather than just ensuring Union dominance, there must be some appeal here. Some recent developments might have tickled their fancy - the 2021 World Cup coming along nicely, the African championship in Nigeria, SARL competing for a WC spot with Cooks and USA, and GAISF membership to RL.
     
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    I have assumed that SARU will use this to ensure that no govenment support goes to SARL but it is an advance on the usual Saffer approach that RL dosn’t exist.

    I have done a quick search on RL stories n SA newspapers. A lot of stories on Israel Folau mention his days in NRL, some stories on the latest NRL attrocity - penises nearly ripped off and rape charges BUT the occassional good news story in community newspapers which make me think there are some grassroots stirrings
     
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    That was my first thought too. But you would think ignoring completely has the same result, if not more effective. Since the SASCOC rules state that similar sports must exist under the same umbrella
     
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    Could it be that SASCOC has said accept SARL or you’ll get no funding. This solves the issue of RL for SASCOC which has been getting some negative international press
     
  11. LeagueXIII

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    Wishful thinking. It's about controlling rugby league and any funding the game may get goes to the union scum. Could you imagine rugby league doing this to rugby union in another country........never in a million years.
     
  12. miguel de cervantes

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    Bollocks. Exactly the same rubbish as with GAISF.

    If you look at the other members of SASCOC:

    • Hockey, Ice Hockey
    • Karate, Judo, Martial Arts, Taekwondo
    • Triathlon, Pentathlon, Athletics
    • Weightlifting, Powerlifting
     
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  13. adamkungl

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    These rules always do seem specifically targeted towards Rugby League
     
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    Cape Town - SA Rugby posted a modest post-tax profit of R2m after two years of losses, it was announced at the Annual Meeting of the organisation in Cape Town on Wednesday.

    The result reversed losses of R62.4m in 2017 and R15.7m in 2016 as a series of cost-cutting measures had an impact.

    Revenue increased by 9.5% to R1.3bn, largely attributable to increased income from broadcasting rights, sponsorships and Test match receipts. Expenses remained flat at R1.28bn.

    “There have been some hard decisions taken over the past three years to reach this position and there is hard work still to be done,” said Jurie Roux, SA Rugby CEO.

    “Some of the measures implemented caused significant discomfort; however, we believe the positive impact of implementing these measures will be realised in the future.

    “We have made progress in the past year, but we know we are still some distance from achieving an adequate financial standing.”

    On the expense side, player payments increased in accordance with agreements in place and due to an additional Test, while SA Rugby’s investment in PRO14 membership came at a nett cost of R60m. Strategic performance expenditure increased due to the investment required to achieve SA Rugby’s transformation goals.

    “The Springboks and our national teams remain our priority and we continue to prioritise their activities. The budget for the 2019 Rugby World Cup campaign is secured and signed off but we will continue to look for savings in peripheral activities,” said Roux.

    “The current debate about the proposed ICASA regulations - which would remove the exclusivity enjoyed by successful bidders - remains a serious threat to our financial sustainability and we will continue to engage with the regulator to point out the potentially disastrous consequences of a change.”

    The annual financial statements were approved by the members. The 2018 Annual Report can be downloaded in full from the “Governance” section at www.springboks.rugby.

    The meeting also elected Vanessa Doble, head of Legal and Compliance at SA Rugby, as SA Rugby’s first female representative to the World Rugby General Council.

    The position was opened following a constitutional change by SA Rugby to include a female representative after World Rugby increased national union representation to three members, one of which has to be female. SA Rugby’s other representatives are President Mark Alexander and CEO Jurie Roux.

    The meeting also accepted into associate membership South African Rugby League. The application was made under the terms of the requirements of the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC) which directs that all similar sports fall under one national mother body.


    https://m.sport24.co.za/Rugby/sa-rugby-back-in-the-black-with-modest-r2m-profit-20190403
     
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    Does that mean they have spare money to invest in RL?
     
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    So the next question is are basketball and netball under the same umbrella? Ice hockey and field hockey? Etc.etc.
     
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    Could this be the beginning of a unitary governance of "rugby" in RSA?
    i.e. Rugby XV, Rugby XIII, Rugby VII.
     
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    Rugby X,Rugby V1111.
    A new sport umbrella, the Roman Numbered Rugby or Numbnuts.

    I'll believe rl getting the grants or funding whatever, when I see it.This new initiative may or may not assist.
    I have seen too many false dawns.Fingers/legs crossed.
     
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  19. hutch

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    There is no way this ends well for rugby league in South Africa. Rugby union has wanted to get rid of rugby league for its entire existence. It’s not going to all of a sudden help it’s rival & superior version of a similar sport.
     
  20. miguel de cervantes

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    League has little choice I think, than to go along with it for now. I only hope they maintain independence in running the sport. If SA Rugby take over, then it's goodnight.
     
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