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Steve Renouf endures racial abuse throughout career at Brisbane

Babyface O'reilly

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merkin is unique in Australia tho, and it hardly ever applies to a woman for being a woman.

The casualisation of it has watered it down to either a light hearted greeting amongst mates or an idiot regardless of what you are.


Merkin has become the new bastard. I remember when bastard was still regarded as rude but was often a term of endearment among mates, where the word merkin now sits. The Irish are equally happy using merkin but still frown on the use of bastard as you’re questioning the morals of one’s mother.
 

gerg

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Mate they were gone by the time he became a star, do you think the term n****r Aboriginal darky would be used with wendell in the team when he started in '93? doubt it.

That being said some of the attitudes back then, contrasted with now is sad. The game has come a long way and we have so many great indigenous players that the NRL itself is fostering through its initiatives.

You just don't see the crap that went on with adam goodes in our game.

A lot has changed and I guess you forget what it was like. Somebody else responded to me saying he didn't want to move because Broncos was the only QLD based team. You forget that back then it wasn't totally professional and playing for a specific club actually had meaning. I have no stats to back it up but I'm assuming there were a lot more one club players back then.

As a kid playing juniors in the 80s we would call our teammates black merkins and they would call us white merkins and we'd all laugh and carry on and there was absolutely no malice in it. When we got a little older we would go out drinking together and have each other's back because we were mates. I dunno what point I'm trying to make?

As for Ram. You should watch a bit of Stan Grant. Or if you find his stories and passion a little confronting watch Over the black dot on Tuesday night's. Great footy show that celebrates Indigenous culture and players in our game.
 

The_Frog

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Here’s a question

is the term W o g racist ?

back in the day you wouldn’t blink an eye calling someone that but these days...

I guess it’s in the context of how the word is used

is the word Chinamen racist? And if not, why not ?
One is a slur, the other isn't.
 

Apey

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I see some people have never read TheRams posts in 4C before haha. Noted conspiracy theorist loon.
 

blue bags

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As for Ram. You should watch a bit of Stan Grant. Or if you find his stories and passion a little confronting watch Over the black dot on Tuesday night's. Great footy show that celebrates Indigenous culture and players in our game.
OVER THE BLACK DOT tv show today was fantastic, it showed steve and the hurt he had to endure as a young kid , 17 year old country boy at the Brisbane broncos, nearly 30 years ago, and still very emotional, as he was telling his story, fighting back tears, check out the videos, on NRL, and OVER THE BLACK DOT
i know a little bit about his junior days, he would play multiple grades, and score 6,7,8 tries each weekend, very special junior, thats how the broncos heard about Steve
 

TheRam

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A lot has changed and I guess you forget what it was like. Somebody else responded to me saying he didn't want to move because Broncos was the only QLD based team. You forget that back then it wasn't totally professional and playing for a specific club actually had meaning. I have no stats to back it up but I'm assuming there were a lot more one club players back then.

As a kid playing juniors in the 80s we would call our teammates black merkins and they would call us white merkins and we'd all laugh and carry on and there was absolutely no malice in it. When we got a little older we would go out drinking together and have each other's back because we were mates. I dunno what point I'm trying to make?

As for Ram. You should watch a bit of Stan Grant. Or if you find his stories and passion a little confronting watch Over the black dot on Tuesday night's. Great footy show that celebrates Indigenous culture and players in our game.

I get what Stan Grant is trying to do, but I don't believe he is doing it right and only adding to the victim mentality. When he brings up stats he doesn't drill down on them to see what they actually mean. If he did, it paints a very challenging but different picture then what one would expect. Now I know posters will ask me to paint that picture for them, but I won't. I am sick of being called a racist, so if you guys really do care about the Aboriginal community you will take the time to find out for your selves. Otherwise just make yourselves feel better and call me a racist and that other beauty conspiracist. People love to throw that one around, it serves to shut people up and be ignored. If you don't like what someone says, call them racist or conpiracists. No need to prove or disprove, those two words are the truth and will do just fine.

Here's a stat, Australia spends upwards of $30B annually on all government welfare programs for Aboriginals that are around half a million in population. So money isn't the issue, right? It hasn't been for decades, so what is going wrong?

As for watching Over The Black Dot, I do and my girlfriend and I have been loving watching it for years. My girlfriend is German and she really loves it, many times she has gotten the shits if I haven't recorded it. We love George Rose. But I must admit we haven't really watched it this year as much. Been to busy to watch many things really, but thanks for reminding me I will set the box to record it from next week.

Cheers
 

Whip Whitaker

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I get what Stan Grant is trying to do, but I don't believe he is doing it right and only adding to the victim mentality. When he brings up stats he doesn't drill down on them to see what they actually mean. If he did, it paints a very challenging but different picture then what one would expect. Now I know posters will ask me to paint that picture for them, but I won't. I am sick of being called a racist, so if you guys really do care about the Aboriginal community you will take the time to find out for your selves. Otherwise just make yourselves feel better and call me a racist and that other beauty conspiracist. People love to throw that one around, it serves to shut people up and be ignored. If you don't like what someone says, call them racist or conpiracists. No need to prove or disprove, those two words are the truth and will do just fine.

Here's a stat, Australia spends upwards of $30B annually on all government welfare programs for Aboriginals that are around half a million in population. So money isn't the issue, right? It hasn't been for decades, so what is going wrong?

As for watching Over The Black Dot, I do and my girlfriend and I have been loving watching it for years. My girlfriend is German and she really loves it, many times she has gotten the shits if I haven't recorded it. We love George Rose. But I must admit we haven't really watched it this year as much. Been to busy to watch many things really, but thanks for reminding me I will set the box to record it from next week.

Cheers

The problem is that solutions are often too short sighted. The left believe all is well and more money/investment will solve the problems. The right believe that nothing is delivered from all that funding, so cut it significantly (however, that also doesn't work either, even if it is economically good for Australia). Then people say, 'well let Aboriginal people decide what they want, and let them fix their own problems,' but this is also a failure because the most high profile Indigenous spokespersons are closely connected, officially or unofficially, to Labor, the Greens and to a lesser extent, the Liberals, anyway.

Real change will come for Aboriginal people when we ourselves (as individuals) take care of ourselves irrespective of whether the Government or wider Australian population gives a damn or not. The problem is, we are so used to expecting so little of ourselves that we are destined to fail. The left wingers will tell us we are good people, and hug us with all the symbolic kind words. But they believe we are incapable of achieving things in life without the state and public giving us a stack of money, services and apologies. Whether they realise it or not, they are just setting the bar even lower for us. What happened to the saying of 'reach for the moon, and if you don't reach it, stay up with the stars'. The left has the attitude that the moon and stars are too far away from us, so aim even lower (and blame the white people for it).

The right wing at least gets it that we need personal responsibility and jobs to look after ourselves, but many on the right also think we are incapable and hold views like: 'you're one of the few good Aborigines compared to the others I know'. While they have a point that many successful Aboriginal people are the minority within their families/clans, it is still a continuation of that low bar setting thinking where most of us are doomed to fail. That is why I go back to my earlier point: "Real change will come for Aboriginal people when we ourselves (as individuals) take care of ourselves whether the Government or wider Australian population gives a damn or not".
 
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Whip Whitaker

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The problem is that solutions are often too short sighted. The left believe all is well and more money/investment will solve the problems. The right believe that nothing is delivered from all that funding, so cut it significantly (however, that also doesn't work either, even if it is economically good for Australia). Then people say, 'well let Aboriginal people decide what they want, and let them fix their own problems,' but this is also a failure because the most high profile Indigenous spokespersons are closely connected, officially or unofficially, to Labor, the Greens and to a lesser extent, the Liberals, anyway.

Real change will come for Aboriginal people when we ourselves (as individuals) take care of ourselves irrespective of whether the Government or wider Australian population gives a damn or not. The problem is, we are so used to expecting so little of ourselves that we are destined to fail. The left wingers will tell us we are good people, and hug us with all the symbolic kind words. But they believe we are incapable of achieving things in life without the state and public giving us a stack of money, services and apologies. Whether they realise it or not, they are just setting the bar even lower for us. What happened to the saying of 'reach for the moon, and if you don't reach it, stay up with the stars'. The left has the attitude that the moon and stars are too far away from us, so aim even lower (and blame the white people for it).

The right wing at least gets it that we need personal responsibility and jobs to look after ourselves, but many on the right also think we are incapable and hold views like: 'you're one of the few good Aborigines compared to the others I know'. While they have a point that many successful Aboriginal people are the minority within their families/clans, it is still a continuation of that low bar setting thinking where most of us are doomed to fail. That is why I go back to my earlier point: "Real change will come for Aboriginal people when we ourselves (as individuals) take care of ourselves whether the Government or wider Australian population gives a damn or not".

Further, the left's insistence of race politics and cultural marxism makes things worse.

Too often, intellectuals are left debating how bad/shameful January 26 is, the Union Jack, the doctrine of Terra Nullius is etc. I myself once took the bait on many of these questions, and it quickly leads to anger, hatred and reverse racism. There was a time I really hated white people because of all this stuff. And many probably hated me back.

SO, what we really need in our Aboriginal communities is jobs, and a share in the pie of Australia's wealth (through hard work not handouts). As soon as more Aboriginal people get a better taste of the Australian dream, we will stop seeing how bad the past is, and start realising how promising the future is. Immediately, many of our trust Aussies towards white people will disappear. I love my non-Aboriginal friends now.

People like Stan Grant are missing important context. He can criticise the past, and how he grew up... fine. But he has the life, career and job that has only been possible thanks to:
1 His hard work
2 Growing up in a post colonial Australia where there are great opportunities for anybody who is competent enough.

He needs to be able to recognise the past, but also be grateful of how far Australia has come, and plans to keep going.
 

TheRam

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Further, the left's insistence of race politics and cultural marxism makes things worse.

Too often, intellectuals are left debating how bad/shameful January 26 is, the Union Jack, the doctrine of Terra Nullius is etc. I myself once took the bait on many of these questions, and it quickly leads to anger, hatred and reverse racism. There was a time I really hated white people because of all this stuff. And many probably hated me back.

SO, what we really need in our Aboriginal communities is jobs, and a share in the pie of Australia's wealth (through hard work not handouts). As soon as more Aboriginal people get a better taste of the Australian dream, we will stop seeing how bad the past is, and start realising how promising the future is. Immediately, many of our trust Aussies towards white people will disappear. I love my non-Aboriginal friends now.

People like Stan Grant are missing important context. He can criticise the past, and how he grew up... fine. But he has the life, career and job that has only been possible thanks to:
1 His hard work
2 Growing up in a post colonial Australia where there are great opportunities for anybody who is competent enough.

He needs to be able to recognise the past, but also be grateful of how far Australia has come, and plans to keep going.

I couldn't of said it any better myself mate. A pleasant difference then the "you're a racist or conspiracist" crap that is usually said with all the excuses that then flow on from there.

Thanks mate for being so wise and informed. Lets hope that slowly more start to see this liberating and powerful point of view for all of Australia's sake.
 

Perth Red

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The problem is, we are so used to expecting so little of ourselves that we are destined to fail. The left wingers will tell us we are good people, and hug us with all the symbolic kind words. But they believe we are incapable of achieving things in life without the state and public giving us a stack of money, services and apologies. .

Great response, it is incredibly hard to break out of that cycle though if it is all you have known and see. Some manage it but nowhere near enough. I don think the left or right language helps, I have rarely found people who confirm totally to one side or the other, most sit either side depending on the topic.
I have seen similar in my home city in UK where generations have grown up on council estates living on the dole and scamming and thieving their way through life. It is so sad to see kids falling into the role models and low expectations their parents set for them. Much brighter minds than mine have tried and failed to find solutions, can only hope one day the community does as you have have highlighted and finds its own way out of the current challenges they have.
 
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Here’s a question

is the term W o g racist ?

back in the day you wouldn’t blink an eye calling someone that but these days...

I guess it’s in the context of how the word is used

is the word Chinamen racist? And if not, why not ?
It has been scientifically proven that you cannot be racist against Whites. So no, it is not racist.
 

Reflector

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The problem is that solutions are often too short sighted. The left believe all is well and more money/investment will solve the problems. The right believe that nothing is delivered from all that funding, so cut it significantly (however, that also doesn't work either, even if it is economically good for Australia). Then people say, 'well let Aboriginal people decide what they want, and let them fix their own problems,' but this is also a failure because the most high profile Indigenous spokespersons are closely connected, officially or unofficially, to Labor, the Greens and to a lesser extent, the Liberals, anyway.

Real change will come for Aboriginal people when we ourselves (as individuals) take care of ourselves irrespective of whether the Government or wider Australian population gives a damn or not. The problem is, we are so used to expecting so little of ourselves that we are destined to fail. The left wingers will tell us we are good people, and hug us with all the symbolic kind words. But they believe we are incapable of achieving things in life without the state and public giving us a stack of money, services and apologies. Whether they realise it or not, they are just setting the bar even lower for us. What happened to the saying of 'reach for the moon, and if you don't reach it, stay up with the stars'. The left has the attitude that the moon and stars are too far away from us, so aim even lower (and blame the white people for it).

The right wing at least gets it that we need personal responsibility and jobs to look after ourselves, but many on the right also think we are incapable and hold views like: 'you're one of the few good Aborigines compared to the others I know'. While they have a point that many successful Aboriginal people are the minority within their families/clans, it is still a continuation of that low bar setting thinking where most of us are doomed to fail. That is why I go back to my earlier point: "Real change will come for Aboriginal people when we ourselves (as individuals) take care of ourselves whether the Government or wider Australian population gives a damn or not".


Mark this as the second post of yours I wish I could like twice.
 

_Johnsy

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What is cultural Marxism?
A simplistic explanation is it is a uniting theory that some right wing people use it to enable them to play the victim. Think Anders Breivik & Brenton Tarrant.

This may go some way to a more thorough explanation of Cultural Marxism..
Lynn, Andrew. "Cultural Marxism." The Hedgehog Review, vol. 20, no. 3, 2018
 

Quicksilver

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A simplistic explanation is it is a uniting theory that some right wing people use it to enable them to play the victim. Think Anders Breivik & Brenton Tarrant.

This may go some way to a more thorough explanation of Cultural Marxism..
Lynn, Andrew. "Cultural Marxism." The Hedgehog Review, vol. 20, no. 3, 2018

Thanks. I’ll look it up.

I keep hearing it dropped in media conversation but I can’t get my head around what it is exactly, or how it relates to Marx.
 

Whip Whitaker

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What is Cultural Marxism?

Here's a way of putting it:

Many people don't hate capitalism in a pure sense because we've gained advantage by it, or saw the dangers of international socialism and or communism.

So how do the left come up with a way to make more people turn on the Capitalist Elite and our History? Use other methods/weapons to achieve their means, including identity politics, and campaigns such as Black Lives Matter.

One thing I will say, however, is that Cultural Marxism is so clever, and so greatly designed, that most people, even many on the left, think it is a ridiculous theory invented by Right Wingers, and give enough no careful consideration. Likewise, many on the Right probably haven't given the theory much thought as they are now being seduced and deceived by ideas like Black Lives Matter, and inadvertently shifting to the Left.

Notice how this happens a lot? We are removing statues of everybody in our past because they were slave owners or slave traders or colonial rulers whatever mistake we can attribute them to. It seems the attack is aimed at individuals for having a poor moral record. But it is actually an attack on capitalism, and attempt to re-write a new world order. These attacks also miss valuable context about the good things in history. We want to pretend history was only full of mass genocide, rape, bigotry, colonialism and every other horror imaginable etc. There is a lot of good in history that gets overlooked because we are so cleverly being deceived to only acknowledge the bad, and then hate our ancestors for it.
 
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Perth Red

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What is cultural Marxism?

Basically myopic thinking that suggests there has been top level and cultural infiltration of (insert group you dont like here) to alter the status quo of what they consider "normal" or that somehow diminishes their privileged position. Be it Islam using refugees to change western values, gays in the media changing marriage and normal sexuality, blacks in BLM making white people feel bad, Jews in Hollywood destroying christian values etc etc. Pick your poison, apply hatred and away you go..........
 

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