Sunday Football Show

[R2Coupe]

Fittler noted Farah's two great passes to put players into space to set up Brown's try and Dwyer's try. At that point the camera flashed to Andrew Johns who stared off into the distance.

It was interesting what was not said by Johns.

Smith and Farah are two of the best hooker forwards I have ever seen.

 

[Tigerm]

Fittler noted Farah's two great passes to put players into space to set up Brown's try and Dwyer's try. At that point the camera flashed to Andrew Johns who stared off into the distance.

It was interesting what was not said by Johns.

Smith and Farah are two of the best hooker forwards I have ever seen.

Not sure what your point is on this R2, if you are thinking they erred in not selecting Farah, Johns is not a selector & should rightly keep his opinions to himself, while part of the coaching team?

IMO, Robbie is the best running hooker in the game, but he has had the opportunity a few times to to be picked again & basically has failed to deliver. Maybe its injuries, but he now has 2 hookers in front of him.

On the best hooker forwards, I think Elias transformed the way Hookers played & is still copied to this day, he would be my pick.

Just realised that Benny's photo is in my signature, purely a coincidence, never met the man.

 

[brooksy19]

Greta photo though Tiger M?

Any idea what game it was taken? Prelim final 89?

Agreed re: orignal post. As an attacking player Farh and Cam smith are streets ahead of the current crop.. Looks like Robbie's biggest mistake was not pulling out of Origin II in 2009.. hope not though.

 

[Tigerm]

Greta photo though Tiger M?

Any idea what game it was taken? Prelim final 89?

Agreed re: orignal post. As an attacking player Farh and Cam smith are streets ahead of the current crop.. Looks like Robbie's biggest mistake was not pulling out of Origin II in 2009.. hope not though.

No I don't Brooksy, found it on the web.

 

[Sunshine Coast Tiger]

Not sure what your point is on this R2, if you are thinking they erred in not selecting Farah, Johns is not a selector & should rightly keep his opinions to himself, while part of the coaching team?

IMO, Robbie is the best running hooker in the game, but he has had the opportunity a few times to to be picked again & basically has failed to deliver. Maybe its injuries, but he now has 2 hookers in front of him.

On the best hooker forwards, I think Elias transformed the way Hookers played & is still copied to this day, he would be my pick.

Just realised that Benny's photo is in my signature, purely a coincidence, never met the man.

For mine the media treatment of Robbie Farah is amongst the worst I have seen in my 30 plus years of watching rugby legue. Robbie Farah is amongst the 5 best hookers I have seen and it is an disgrace that he hasn't been the NSW hooker since 2007.

The fact that no one in the media has questioned his non selection beggers believe. I am most dissapointed that Tim Sheens has not come out and said he thinks he is the best NSW hooker and I will admit this year he has not been at his best (still light yeras in front of Ennis and Young).

The try he set up with the kick and regather and pass to Benji against Canberra a few weeks ago no other hooker in NSW has the skill to do that.

I think the only people that would rate both Ennis and Young above him for NSW is Ricky Stuart and Wayne Bennett (he is a Queenslander and wants Queensland to win). The other 14 coaches in the NRL ( I left out Moore), I believe would pick Robbie Farah at hooker in their sides every day of the week over both Young and Ennis. I give you the tip the second hooker selected for Australia at the end of the year will be Robbie Farah (barring injury).

 

[DanOz]

Mitchell Pearce even hinted he would prefer Farah when interviewed after City Country - I am hoping that will count for something and Ennis exposes himself as the myth he is.

 

[R2Coupe]

The camera moved immediately to Johns following Fittler's comments so clearly Channel 9 was anticipating a reaction. The fact he didn't say anything speaks for itself. Firstly, he couldn't as the two plays were exceptional and secondly, he didn't want to praise Farah.

The Blues will never do well while it is best by politics.

My wife said to me, how can you expect the team to win with Stuart as coach. He failed as a club coach so what is his selection based upon?

 

[Tigerm]

The camera moved immediately to Johns following Fittler's comments so clearly Channel 9 was anticipating a reaction. The fact he didn't say anything speaks for itself. Firstly, he couldn't as the two plays were exceptional and secondly, he didn't want to praise Farah.

The Blues will never do well while it is best by politics.

My wife said to me, how can you expect the team to win with Stuart as coach. He failed as a club coach so what is his selection based upon?

"secondly, he didn't want to praise Farah."
Is only your opinion, which you are entitled to, but to use it as one of your lead arguments is a bit rich.

"The Blues will never do well while it is best by politics."
Rep football from juniors up, is riddled with politics, the best team will never be selected anywhere, in any sport.

I am not a fan of Stuart, but are you aware that he is:
1. A premiership winning player & coach,
2. A winning Australian player & coach,
3. A winning NSW SOO player & coach,
4. A dual international

Didn't have a good time at the Sharks, I am not sure anyone will, but hardly a failure.

 

[silverfox]

mal meninga is unproven at NRL coaching but if theyw in tonight he will be the most successful - more to do with the players he had to choose from.

 

[R2Coupe]

"secondly, he didn't want to praise Farah."
Is only your opinion, which you are entitled to, but to use it as one of your lead arguments is a bit rich.

"The Blues will never do well while it is best by politics."
Rep football from juniors up, is riddled with politics, the best team will never be selected anywhere, in any sport.

I am not a fan of Stuart, but are you aware that he is:
1. A premiership winning player & coach,
2. A winning Australian player & coach,
3. A winning NSW SOO player & coach,
4. A dual international

Didn't have a good time at the Sharks, I am not sure anyone will, but hardly a failure.

Of course it is my opinion, but that is what this forum is about. Johns has been outspoken on any number of issues about Origian selection; pushing players for selection but can't praise two outstanding plays by Farah.

And again, while politics plays a role in selection and the best are not selected, the Blues will struggle.

Since when has been a good player had anything to do with being a good coach? One could argue the team Stuart started with at the Sharks was at least the equal of the team Sheens had in 2005. Many would suggest it was better. Player recruitment, retention and the style of play under Stuart are issues. And wasn't Phil Gould a "coaching director" at the Roosters during Stuart's tenture?

 

[Packy]

I am a Dogs fan. I would prefer Farah over Ennis at my club. I can understand why Ennis gets picked for things like Origin over Farah however.

I don't think there is a great conspiracy.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Farah is clearly not well regarded by the people who matter (the media and selectors), I think this is very clear.

Have a look at the Footy Show last week where Benji praised Farah and said NSW needed to attack and that Robbie was the best option. There was only silence, and the look on some of their faces was priceless, as if they were annoyed he even suggested it.

I don't know if anything has happened behind the scenes, but aside from Fittler who seems to rate him highly, the rest of the NSW boys club does not think too highly of him.

Ennis should have been barred from Origin forever after his disgraceful performance in game III last year, simple as that.

 

[gronkathon]

Unless you are good for a drink and half arseing around NSW don't want you.

Farah was seen as a threat by the team mates of Buderus and as such the media set to began against him. Muppets like Hindmarsh and Mason rubbished Farah because they were protecting a mate in Buderus. THAT is where they myth about not being tough enough for origin. From the protecting words of a flop merchant and a cat of Dave Taylor proportions

 

[DanOz]

I am a Dogs fan. I would prefer Farah over Ennis at my club. I can understand why Ennis gets picked for things like Origin over Farah however.

I don't think there is a great conspiracy.

Is this the myth that Ennis is tougher? When someone went looking to punch Ennis's lights out in origin he ran like the cat he is.

When Farah got cheap shotted by Watts, he didn't whinge. He waited for the next scrum and belted him stupid.

Farah would smash Ennis in a fight, in toughness, in skill, in tackle counts, in missed tackle counts, in try assists, in every area of the game EXCEPT he is not a grub which is Ennis' only advantage that too many people mistake for toughness.

 

[Packy]

Is this the myth that Ennis is tougher? When someone went looking to punch Ennis's lights out in origin he ran like the cat he is.

When Farah got cheap shotted by Watts, he didn't whinge. He waited for the next scrum and belted him stupid.

Farah would smash Ennis in a fight, in toughness, in skill, in tackle counts, in missed tackle counts, in try assists, in every area of the game EXCEPT he is not a grub which is Ennis' only advantage that too many people mistake for toughness.

I am not just talking about toughness. I think they are both exceptionally tough players playing in the toughest position on the field. I am especially not talking about fighting. If that is the selection point then Brett White would still be there.

They are different in terms playing style. As I said, I would have Farah at my club in a second, that doesn't take away from what Ennis brings to a team.

Whoever mentioned Ennis in game 3 last year. Watch Farah in game 2.

Anyone is capable of a shit game and he had one then. I don't think it is indicative of what he can do at that level but it still happened.

All I am suggesting is that I don't think there is a conspiracy. Ennis isn't exactly the worst player going around no matter how shit a dude he may be and how much we hate him.

 

[Joe's Magpies]

For mine the media treatment of Robbie Farah is amongst the worst I have seen in my 30 plus years of watching rugby legue. Robbie Farah is amongst the 5 best hookers I have seen and it is an disgrace that he hasn't been the NSW hooker since 2007.

The fact that no one in the media has questioned his non selection beggers believe. I am most dissapointed that Tim Sheens has not come out and said he thinks he is the best NSW hooker and I will admit this year he has not been at his best (still light yeras in front of Ennis and Young).

The try he set up with the kick and regather and pass to Benji against Canberra a few weeks ago no other hooker in NSW has the skill to do that.

I think the only people that would rate both Ennis and Young above him for NSW is Ricky Stuart and Wayne Bennett (he is a Queenslander and wants Queensland to win). The other 14 coaches in the NRL ( I left out Moore), I believe would pick Robbie Farah at hooker in their sides every day of the week over both Young and Ennis. I give you the tip the second hooker selected for Australia at the end of the year will be Robbie Farah (barring injury).

Your right Sunshine Coast Tiger. The treatment of Farah is disgraceful. How they can back the spastic is beyod me.

I hope NSW gets smashed, to prove what losers they are really are.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Unless you are good for a drink and half arseing around NSW don't want you.

Farah was seen as a threat by the team mates of Buderus and as such the media set to began against him. Muppets like Hindmarsh and Mason rubbished Farah because they were protecting a mate in Buderus. THAT is where they myth about not being tough enough for origin. From the protecting words of a flop merchant and a cat of Dave Taylor proportions

But now that Buderus is gone, why does Farah still not get a go?

OK, he was given a go initially and rightfully dropped after a very poor game, but why does he no longer get a look in any more given Ennis' poor performances last year in Origin?

Farah gets dropped after one OK game and one very poor one, yet Ennis remains after one OK game, two poor games, and one disgraceful game that showed that he is little more than a coward with a big mouth.

Did Farah ruffle someones feathers behind the scenes when he was picked in 2009? Did something happen when he was dropped? Would he be there now had he pulled out of game two when he was injured?

I just don't understand - I think it's clear that Farah is not rated very highly, especially with the hacks in the media. Little things like the OP alluded to in this thread, and what happened last week on the Footy Show.

 

[gronkathon]

All I am saying is that the myth established whilst Buderus was keeping his spot in the side is still the justification used today. Farah makes 35+ tackles every game and is tough but because he was labelled as "not Origin tough" by the Flopmerchant and co. he gets zero recognition for that.

Farah was also laboured with Wallace who was just disgraceful. Not to mention bloody Wolfman who kept the team under pressure by constantly dropping it returning the ball.

Farah was bad in Game 2 2009 but you know who was worse? The guy picked as captain this series. Gallen was utter dross that game but all that gets focused on is Farahs bad attempted tackle that led to a try. No mention of the fact he had made more tackles than any Blue at that point and was first on the scene to cover a line break caused by Gallen missing a simple tackle.

Whats worse is both Gallen and Williams retained their spots for game 3

I don't know the reason behind the media hate of Farah but even if he was picked again the last few series have given me more than enough reason to never watch Origin again

 

[hybrid_tiger]

All I am saying is that the myth established whilst Buderus was keeping his spot in the side is still the justification used today. Farah makes 35+ tackles every game and is tough but because he was labelled as "not Origin tough" by the Flopmerchant and co. he gets zero recognition for that.

Farah was also laboured with Wallace who was just disgraceful. Not to mention bloody Wolfman who kept the team under pressure by constantly dropping it returning the ball.

Farah was bad in Game 2 2009 but you know who was worse? The guy picked as captain this series. Gallen was utter dross that game but all that gets focused on is Farahs bad attempted tackle that led to a try. No mention of the fact he had made more tackles than any Blue at that point and was first on the scene to cover a line break caused by Gallen missing a simple tackle.

Whats worse is both Gallen and Williams retained their spots for game 3

I don't know the reason behind the media hate of Farah but even if he was picked again the last few series have given me more than enough reason to never watch Origin again

I just don't get it - I understand what you're saying but I think something else has happened and Farah has upset somebody behind the scenes, or perhaps they just don't think highly of him for another reason. I can recall Hindmarsh and Mason both dismissing him, and although they were only defending a teammate, it did seem to be a little over the top. Hindmarsh has a problem with the Tigers in particular, always has, not sure why but I don't think it is Farah-exclusive.

I know that Phil Gould thinks highly of Farah, but on more than one occasion he has said his style of play does not suit Origin as it needs the halves to know his game inside out and in limited preparation this could prove troublesome. It's the only explanation I've heard for his non-selection that I can justify. Then again, I think Robbie proved he can play to a set game plan and slightly alter his game to suit a different style - he did it in City Country under strict instruction from Stuart and combined well with Pearce.

Fittler also seems to rate Farah highly and did praise him alot after City Country this year. But the rest - particularly Johns, Stuart, Vautin, Sterling and of course the newspaper hacks at the Telegraph don't seem to think very highly of Robbie. They seem very dismissive when someone even brings it up too, which to me is very strange.

 

[gronkathon]

Gould has always pushed for Young, has done since 2008, and as such to praise Farah would fly in the face of it.

I don't have the answer. We all know that Robbie has the propencity to be an utter prick though. Maybe he did it to the wrong person