Sydney Match of the Day

[siv]

In years gone by we used to have match of the day played at the SCG

It would have 20 to 50k regular crowds

Match was selected by the competition points aggregate of the two teams playing

Could this concept work again in the modern game

Eg a Sydney teams match of the day played Sunday afternoon at ANZ

I would limit to matches between Sydney clubs though

 

[no name]

There's this thing that TV broadcasters call a schedule.
And ANZ is a shit hole that no one goes to.

 

[Captain Apollo]

In years gone by we used to have match of the day played at the SCG

It would have 20 to 50k regular crowds

Match was selected by the competition points aggregate of the two teams playing

Could this concept work again in the modern game

Eg a Sydney teams match of the day played Sunday afternoon at ANZ

I would limit to matches between Sydney clubs though

It wouldn't work these days. Firstly, assuming you'd get around the TV broadcast and scheduling agreements, many clubs supporters prefer their club's home ground and many won't travel to alternate venues (e.g. Cronulla and Manly fans notably). Hence you'd probably wind up with smaller crowds tan if played at the club's home ground.

 

[Valheru]

Could this concept work again in the modern game

No

 

[Timmah]

The NRL's already gone a lot of the way to achieving this by scheduling the bulk of Sunday 4pm games as all-Sydney matches. We don't need a centralised stadium approach when a lot of the time those games end up with near-full suburban grounds anyway.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

In years gone by we used to have match of the day played at the SCG

It would have 20 to 50k regular crowds

Got proof of this?

 

[King hit]

Got proof of this?

During St George's run the match of the day would attract huge crowds. Mainly from people who were turning up to watch the Dragons lose.

 

[Timmah]

During St George's run the match of the day would attract huge crowds. Mainly from people who were turning up to watch the Dragons lose.

I just grabbed a random sample of years from 1960-1978 (not all years) and I can't find any evidence to substantiate the claim. There were one or two matches that topped 50k, but for the most part there was the occasional 20k match, not always at the SCG.

 

[carcharias]

I’d watch them lose

 

[siv]

Got proof of this?

Just do a search of SCG regular season games from 1935 to 1970

Even a simple comparison with non SCG games highlights a 2 x or 3 x crowd increase on the round average

You need to ignore rounds when the SCG was not available

 

[Timmah]

Just do a search of SCG regular season games from 1935 to 1970

Even a simple comparison with non SCG games highlights a 2 x or 3 x crowd increase on the round average

You need to ignore rounds when the SCG was not available

I literally did this and you are blatantly wrong.

 

[siv]

I literally did this and you are blatantly wrong.

Then why do I see in Round 3 1944 crowds of 27k at match of the day but highest suburban crowd was 6k

That round was very accurate

 

[siv]

So regular rounds only averages

SCG v next best non Moore Park SSG/SCG/Showground venue

During the later part of the match of the day period

1957 23,332 - 11,731
1958 20,260 - 10,087
1959 18,704 - 9,130
1960 17,502 - 9,762
1961 19,594 - 9,908
1962 19,968 - 9,410
1963 21,060 - 9,121
1964 24,689 - 12,868
1965 22,353 - 10,588
1966 24,709 - 12,955
1967 27,889 - 12,564
1968 28,346 - 14;453
1969 24,882 - 12,678
1970 23,411 - 14823
1971 20,575 - 15,385
1972 22,411 - 13,605

 

[Timmah]

Then why do I see in Round 3 1944 crowds of 27k at match of the day but highest suburban crowd was 6k

That round was very accurate

As I indicated you will absolutely find sporadic instances where an SCG match of the day attracted a big crowd, but your claim was "It would have 20 to 50k regular crowds".

Regular implies it happened most weeks which is simply not the case. As you've pointed out in your subsequent post, at its highest point the average didn't even crack 30k.

It's also worth noting we live in a different time, are watching a much different game and the demographics and population of Sydney have changed massively.

And even then, you're ignoring that the draw already caters heavily to all-Sydney Sunday arvo clashes, albeit at suburban grounds.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s a shame in the tv deal the nrl didn’t negotiate a Sydney match of the round at anz on a Sunday afternoon. Like mentioned in the other thread the nrl is pretty good on the whole at organising events, make this a weekly or at least fortnightly. Make it $10 any ticket for any nrl club member, have good food and beer village outside and stuff for families and kids. Let the nrl manage and promote it. Compensate clubs for playing in it. It’s the only reason you’d use anz for club games!

 

[Timmah]

It’s a shame in the tv deal the nrl didn’t negotiate a Sydney match of the round at anz on a Sunday afternoon. Like mentioned in the other thread the nrl is pretty good on the whole at organising events, make this a weekly or at least fortnightly. Make it $10 any ticket for any nrl club member, have good food and beer village outside and stuff for families and kids. Let the nrl manage and promote it. Compensate clubs for playing in it. It’s the only reason you’d use anz for club games!

For f**k sake.

Only fans of Parramatta, Canterbury, WT and Souths want to attend ANZ. Dragons fans hate it, Roosters fans won't go out there, nor Manly or Cronulla. Penrith arguably not either.

This isn't a "build it and they will come". Sunday arvo is the perfect slot for suburban grounds hosting all-Sydney clashes where local fans can come see their local team.

 

[Perth Red]

For f**k sake.

Only fans of Parramatta, Canterbury, WT and Souths want to attend ANZ. Dragons fans hate it, Roosters fans won't go out there, nor Manly or Cronulla. Penrith arguably not either.

This isn't a "build it and they will come". Sunday arvo is the perfect slot for suburban grounds hosting all-Sydney clashes where local fans can come see their local team.

Yeh 15k in suburban grounds sounds about the limit of our aspirations. Make it an event and you might get a regular 30k from the alleged 2million nrl fans in Sydney turning up. You might not, but to quote your stance on most things, try it before condemning it.

In some ways the proposed new 50k allianz would actually be a better venue for this than anz given Sydney’s fans apathy to attend.

 

[Springs09]

The NRL's already gone a lot of the way to achieving this by scheduling the bulk of Sunday 4pm games as all-Sydney matches. We don't need a centralised stadium approach when a lot of the time those games end up with near-full suburban grounds anyway.

Exactly. It's rare that Sunday 4pm games aren't all-Sydney games. Nearly every stadium is better on a Sunday afternoon than ANZ is.

Only fans of Parramatta, Canterbury, WT and Souths want to attend ANZ. Dragons fans hate it, Roosters fans won't go out there, nor Manly or Cronulla. Penrith arguably not either.

Do we? As an Eels member I couldn't stand going to ANZ. I don't know how anyone really likes it unless there's 40,000+ in there.

 

[siv]

As I indicated you will absolutely find sporadic instances where an SCG match of the day attracted a big crowd, but your claim was "It would have 20 to 50k regular crowds".

Regular implies it happened most weeks which is simply not the case. As you've pointed out in your subsequent post, at its highest point the average didn't even crack 30k.

It's also worth noting we live in a different time, are watching a much different game and the demographics and population of Sydney have changed massively.

And even then, you're ignoring that the draw already caters heavily to all-Sydney Sunday arvo clashes, albeit at suburban grounds.

Well bar 1960 averages were on the most over or close to 20k

Which mathematically means there were a lot crowds over 20k

That looks pretty regular

Yes times are different - but Magic weekend is a rehash of the 70s League-A-Thon. So what was old can become new again

We even have trams making a comeback

Play games at sub 20k venues and you will always get sub 20k averages

But its not about playing a Sydney derby somewhere across the city - but playing evety week the best Sydney game at a standard big venue in a standard timeslot

In respect to ANZ we need to activate more Easter style transport options during game days

By having a set timeslot - transport options can be planned better

eg like the buses to Dee Why etc and more direct trains

 

[Timmah]

Yeh 15k in suburban grounds sounds about the limit of our aspirations. Make it an event and you might get a regular 30k from the alleged 2million nrl fans in Sydney turning up. You might not, but to quote your stance on most things, try it before condemning it.

In some ways the proposed new 50k allianz would actually be a better venue for this than anz given Sydney’s fans apathy to attend.

This isn't something set in stone that we need to give an opportunity to run at least once before judgment - this is a pie in the sky theory from someone on an internet forum.

And all of that's not to mention your complete and deliberate ignorance of the arguments against ANZ as the 'central venue'.

Well bar 1960 averages were on the most over or close to 20k

Which mathematically means there were a lot crowds over 20k

That looks pretty regular

Yes times are different - but Magic weekend is a rehash of the 70s League-A-Thon. So what was old can become new again

We even have trams making a comeback

Play games at sub 20k venues and you will always get sub 20k averages

But its not about playing a Sydney derby somewhere across the city - but playing evety week the best Sydney game at a standard big venue in a standard timeslot

In respect to ANZ we need to activate more Easter style transport options during game days

By having a set timeslot - transport options can be planned better

eg like the buses to Dee Why etc and more direct trains

Your hypothesis in the first place was incorrect, no amount of statistical gymnastics can cover that fact.