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sup42

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Kosi needs to stay at home for this game.
They will obviously target him heavily, but so has everyone else this season.

The Kick to Kosi has been a big fat fail as a tactic as he has been one of our most secure kick receivers.

It will be good for Kosi to face his demons head on and erase that miserable game against the Storm where he had a total collapse of confidence and had an on field break down....we have seen this before with the other big Winger of ours and his career defining mare at Paramatta.

I would love to see Montoya become the center that works with Kosi.

Montoya has all the attributes of a center. He is hard to tackle, quick, post contact meters, and he is confrontational in defence.

The down side is the team would have to bear with his transition because you don't learn to play Center overnight.

Kosi has been building to this good season in Reggies, he deserves a lot of credit for saving his career.
 

sup42

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Has shades of Manu returning to Parramatta Stadium after that fateful night
You said it before I did.

Yeah....different type players apart from being big wingers, but same dynamic....Manu has a mental break down that night, so did Kosi on his mare.

Ivan rolled out Manu the next week like nothing had happened...
 

SpaceMonkey

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Has shades of Manu returning to Parramatta Stadium after that fateful night
Certainly didn’t hurt Manu’s career long term.

I’m really glad Kosi correctly pulled off his captains challenge yesterday- I think he’s still a confidence player who is learning to assert and believe in himself, which is understandable given the way he came into first grade, pretty much a park footballer chucked in the deep end when we were in desperate times with Covid.
 

BLN2

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With Kosi, Kata in his first season got absolutely ripped to shreds by Blake Ferguson I think it was. Was a horror show. Next match later in the season, Kata had one of his best against him. Give Kosi his redemption.

Yeah correct above injuries, last week the updates were Barnett aiming for Roosters match, Metcalf after the bye. Egan we haven't had any updates. We'll need him.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Even though DWZ had a bit of a shocker I can't see him being dropped, so I imagine Vailea will stay out of the team.

I like how Kosi is playing generally, but still ultimately feel disappointed in the selection as I think Vailea is a big talent while Kosi is a bit of a plodder who is at the very limits of his ability just being a competent NRL player. Likewise Pompey does some nice things but I don't really see the big upside to him that coaches must see.

Anyway, I guess you pick a team for now and not the future and there are holes in Vailea's game which Webster obviously isn't happy with.
 

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Even though DWZ had a bit of a shocker I can't see him being dropped, so I imagine Vailea will stay out of the team.

I like how Kosi is playing generally, but still ultimately feel disappointed in the selection as I think Vailea is a big talent while Kosi is a bit of a plodder who is at the very limits of his ability just being a competent NRL player. Likewise Pompey does some nice things but I don't really see the big upside to him that coaches must see.

Anyway, I guess you pick a team for now and not the future and there are holes in Vailea's game which Webster obviously isn't happy with.
I think it’s probably an attitude thing with Vailea- he’s got the raw talent but not the professionalism/attitude. Whereas Kosi and Pompey try hard, but like you say they don’t have that elite X factor.
 

sup42

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Kosi is still early, can't really say he has peaked imo.

He is a power winger, no more no less, which is fine if you have a decent center partner that can get him one on one he will score when other Wingers won't.

Kosi to me has more instinct for the game than our last power winger big Ken.

Ken could be stopped by a small man in the corner...Kosi not so much.

Also Kosi has a big hit on him which can turn games. I think he will be more than a plodder.

As for Vailea, dude has to tackle or we will lose games because when he is in...the try line defence that this team has banked on is just not there with Vailea.

Not making judgement about whether Vailea can sort it or not, who knows, he is just a junior graduate.
 

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No he actually dropped him. He replaced him with Crockett who promptly got himself sent off the next week lol
They learnt from all that though. In week one of the 2011 finals we were hammered 40-10 by Brisbane. Manu had a shocker. The next week, do-or-die against the Tigers, Manu was at his beastly best.

Ivan kept the faith.
 

SpaceMonkey

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Kosi is still early, can't really say he has peaked imo.

He is a power winger, no more no less, which is fine if you have a decent center partner that can get him one on one he will score when other Wingers won't.

Kosi to me has more instinct for the game than our last power winger big Ken.

Ken could be stopped by a small man in the corner...Kosi not so much.

Also Kosi has a big hit on him which can turn games. I think he will be more than a plodder.

As for Vailea, dude has to tackle or we will lose games because when he is in...the try line defence that this team has banked on is just not there with Vailea.

Not making judgement about whether Vailea can sort it or not, who knows, he is just a junior graduate.
My biggest reservation about Kosi is his lack of pace. The one thing that can’t really be coached.
 

Scott

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Kid can play but dead set should take up something else, just always broken.
Interestingly, he has also been in Philly with Bill Knowles recently. I heard that it's the 5th time he's done his hammy and they are going to take their time with him.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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He is a power winger, no more no less, which is fine if you have a decent center partner that can get him one on one he will score when other Wingers won't.

Kosi to me has more instinct for the game than our last power winger big Ken.

Ken could be stopped by a small man in the corner...Kosi not so much.

Kosi (like Maumalo to an extent) is nominally a "big winger" but I'm yet to see compelling evidence that he is a more powerful carrier of the football than the next guy. Montoya and DWZ are arguably both better at getting on the front foot than Kosi. I will say that Kosi's finishing has been competent so far in his career. He has proven to be a somewhat cannier footballer than I expected but I don't really see an explosive athlete likely to break the line.

Comparisons with my posting namesake inevitably come up when the next "big winger" comes along but Manu was really a next level athlete imo. Maumalo/Kosi were never likely to routinely run over the top of blokes like Manu did.

Vailea has already shown on several occasions, with limited opportunities, the ability to bust the line and score tries out of nowhere with footwork/speed/strength. He can break the line and then has the speed to go the length. That's a rare quality, more so with our workmanlike backline. But yeah, I have also been frustrated by some of his negative tendencies and I understand you don't just pick a guy based on the best-case scenario while ignoring his weaknesses.
 

sup42

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We should be pretty excited about where we are.

None of us saw a top four berth going into this game.

I think we have a chance although we would have had a really good shot with TMM. Without him our spine is clunky and our ball retention reflects that.

Still, Egan back in will improve the ball handling our of sight, specially when our other decent distributor Walker is on.

We can win, the Storm are not as strong as seasons past although that doesn't mean much in these fixtures where you will not see a fair whistle blown after Advance Australia fair has played.

These fixtures have been....well fixed...for a long time.

Still, if we pull this off, we are in a direct fight for a top four berth claim with Rorters and Panthers.

Win this then it all gets a lot easier....it becomes win one from the next two to be the first Warriors side to look finals bound in style in decades.
 

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I’m not convinced it’s fixed- there’s actually a genuine incentive for this fixture to be competitive, and it was in the earlier years when we had a good team. We used to win it regularly in the Cleary years
 

sup42

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No he actually dropped him. He replaced him with Crockett who promptly got himself sent off the next week lol
Ah yeah that is right he was out for a game and game back stronger.
Kosi (like Maumalo to an extent) is nominally a "big winger" but I'm yet to see compelling evidence that he is a more powerful carrier of the football than the next guy. Montoya and DWZ are arguably both better at getting on the front foot than Kosi. I will say that Kosi's finishing has been competent so far in his career. He has proven to be a somewhat cannier footballer than I expected but I don't really see an explosive athlete likely to break the line.

Comparisons with my posting namesake inevitably come up when the next "big winger" comes along but Manu was really a next level athlete imo. Maumalo/Kosi were never likely to routinely run over the top of blokes like Manu did.

Vailea has already shown on several occasions, with limited opportunities, the ability to bust the line and score tries out of nowhere with footwork/speed/strength. He can break the line and then has the speed to go the length. That's a rare quality, more so with our workmanlike backline. But yeah, I have also been frustrated by some of his negative tendencies and I understand you don't just pick a guy based on the best-case scenario while ignoring his weaknesses.

Don't actually disagree with much if any of this.

Manu was a once in a generation like Lomu. He is an outlier.

When I say Kosi is a big winger type I am primarily looking at his finishing style, he is not easy to stop in the corner.

I remember SK bagging Ken after a loss for being stopped by the smallest man on the feild in a corner scenario.

Agreed Kosi is not beastmode on kick returns, but he is big enough, with a skilled Center, to create edge issues for the opposition in their redzone.

One on one on the Try line Kosi knows how to finish.

Vailea being omitted from the fg squad for less gifted attacking centers should tell us all we need to know about Webster. That one selection decision makes it very clear what Webster is about.

Vailea is a potential star attacking footballer right? and everyone with a TV can see that, so you really have to ask why he is not playing.

I don't blame Webster, cripes the guy has a plan and you can follow it, and he has us in second equal.

When I see the 2023 Warriors I see a different game plan. I see a very clear game plan, and Webster and the players keep giving us the same message every week in pressers.

If we had a dollar for every time a player parrots Webster and says resilience we would be richer than an SK payout on the process.

They always talk about their try line defence and their resilience this year, it is the new mantra.

Putting it crudely Webster has gone for the tiny forward pack to speed us up. And he has an even smaller bench to really turbo charge our output after twenty minutes.

We basically hang on with our Vanilla starters and then run the opposition to death with our bench and they run out of gas.

While they are being exhausted the strangle comes on...and it is really hard to score against the Warriors in the final quarter and hard to keep them out, and not because we have strike players, because the opposition are stuffed and Walker is shifting the ball all the time with SJ and we are getting on the outside or throwing dummys and watchign the tired defence over read and let SJ or whoever slide right down the middle.

The risk with a small pack...(I need to make it clear I ain't telling anyone how to suck eggs by stating the obvious, just fleshing out a rant) is that we get run over the top of and that creates issues on our edges folding in...and have lost games this way....in which case.....it is critical for this small pack strategy to work, that all thirteen are going to do the fundamentals better than ever before.

For example. when we switch on the wall, the kick chase is great and following a deliberate Johnson Bomb to trap the back three in the corners. And from there we show up with a wall with line speed and the strangle comes on.

I typed all of that when what I was trying to say really, is that it is all on Vailea...no high defensive output no play, or to put it another way, X factor alone will not be enough to alter the coaches game plan.

In all of our victories we played like one of the hardest defensive outfits in the NRL from sixty minutes onward...which is the complete opposite of the Warriors 'type' and has caught a lot of opposition players and coaches out....because they come with a script that says stay in touch till the seventieth minute and the Warriors collapse. Instead we have been fitter, more fresh, playing at a higher tempo and pouring it on in defence in all of our victories we have been the team coming home with a late surge...that is what tiny forwards and every man is a tacklebot is about.,

I find it interesting that despite Currans Rep for work rate he has struggled to get back in and last game the Cows scored off a Jersey grab by him.

That aside, I suspect the reason Curran is struggling to crack FG is the new plan for forward inter passing.....every forward Webster picks can and does shift a ball two wide of the ruck.

Curran like Vailea is a player with a lot of talent, to me it makes it even more obvious that talent no longer rules the roost, ability to deliver the game plan is the new Black...especially given Curran is a try scorer and seemingly lower in the pecking order than some one like Sirronen.

Lastly, Montoyas beastmode tackle busting run and offload to Kosi pretty much put the Vailea option in perspective, can we say Vailea has ripped a game open from nothing and finished with an assist like that while being a strong defender?
 
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