The ABC at it again

[Willow]

He's got lots of certificates.

:lol:

The real question is, how many of these certificates are legitimate, and how many were purchased online? I'd like to see the percentages.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Percentages... lol

I've got bunches of certificates, all from the University of Wooloomooloo. I think they're as legit as his.

In all seriousness though, he's done a good job of debunking moffo's "educate the players" theory on his own. If he's typical of the results of higher education, I'd be banning players from going to Uni.

 

[Willow]

Did he say 'University' degrees or 'Universal' degrees?

From universaldegrees.com:

Time to Buy Degree from Universal Degrees in the Quickest & Easiest Way!

Want to buy degree that is completely accredited, recognized and affordable? Universal Degrees is the perfect place for that. Our accredited and affordable degree programs allow students to excel in a variety of today's most in-demand academic fields.

You too can buy your degree at Universal Degrees!

 

[gregstar]

sweet!

i'll have 2 lor & 1 medasin degreasers please.

my budget is only 75c.

 

[_snafu_]

I am humble.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

That is all.

 

[m0nty]

Personally, I'm disappointed this thread has strayed from good old healthy ABC-bashing.

 

[Timmah]

In the real world outside of this Rugby League forum, peoples opinions of Rugby League are actually swayed by negative publicity and off field incidents.

It amazes me how many rock brains on this forum cannot comprehend that simple concept.

Lets take this El Diablo clown for example.

Everytime something goes wrong in league and the game attracts negative headlines, all he can do is google AFL articles from years back or post quotes of something someone said in 2007.

El Diablo may have a bit of a chip on his shoulder about AFL and more power to him. In most cases he's actually right. The media favouritism regarding coverage of AFL off-field indiscretions in comparison to NRL is quite disgusting.

The problem with "the real world outside rugby league forums" is that the "peoples opinions" you speak of are fed by the very media we're discussing. They drum up the hysteria, they write inflammatory opinion columns and emotively-worded articles that make people believe whatever they want them to believe, instead of what the actual facts might be.

There's no doubt the players need to stop getting up to stupid sh*t. But there's no excuse for the hysteria the media drums up about incidents... especially given they're the same people who adore the redemption of the same guys a year or two later - Carney being just one example.

 

[Brutus]

RL is an easy target for some of these gutless media types.

 

[Timmah]

Do I need to spell it out for you?

• It's not the physical number that matters. It's the percentage. The percentage is the statistically significant piece of data. Not the physical number.

• If you want to compare crowd figures then you need to compare against population growth. Not against year to year crowd figures. You can't compare a variable against itself. You need to run a t-test and compare the variable against another variable. Either as a paired sample or a single sample.

• If the population increases, then the percentage attending needs to increase in line with population growth. Even if the physical number increases, if the percentage doesn't increase against population growth then crowd numbers have dropped off. In other words if there are more people in the state, then by nature crowds should increase in line with that increase.

It's like saying someone scored this many tries in a 26 round competition, and then saying they scored more tries in a 30 round competition and then scored more tries again in a 34 round competition. Sure, the number of tries scored might be higher, but is that a percentage increase or just a number increase due to longer seasons? It's the percentage that matters.

If you want to discount season 2006 you're welcome to, but seasons 2007-2010 have all featured the exact same amount of games. The statistical variable you speak of is the amount of games, not the seasons as a whole themselves.

As for "comparing a variable against itself" - pretty certain each season's aggregate are each a variable in their own right. Each season being greater than the last means there has been an increase on NRL crowds season to season.

Truthfully, if you wish to compare it against the Australian population then you have been proven wrong by Willow. Your sad attempts at backpedalling and saying he's not using an accurate figure are laughable. You're suggesting that the ABS not engage an estimate. :lol:

 

[Willow]

sweet!

i'll have 2 lor & 1 medasin degreasers please.

my budget is only 75c.

75c would be 75% of $1. But that's only an estimate, because you don't have the dollar to prove it.

 

[applesauce]

It's not an estimate. These figures aren't made up. Someone didn't since there and guess how many people there were. The majority of the population filled out the form. It's the best figure this country has of actual population numbers which isn't based on estimates using mathematical equations. If you send out 100 surveys they won't all be completed. So you take what numbers you have and then look at means, modes, standard deviations and the like for what variables you want to compare.

If you want to say crowds have increased then you compare against population growth percentage not against itself. And to get that population growth percentage you need to compare raw data against raw data. Not like Willow has done by comparing an estimated percentage against other percentages or estimated population numbers.

Fail. :roll:

Exactly so you figures are on the underside of everything...

Willows comparison was correct using estimates. You are using list-wise data while Willow used estimated pair-wise data. That means for your data if someone didn't fill in a census form correctly or at all they don't exists... Willow sources use mathematical probability and calculate the likely (ie. significant) chance of the population being about 21mill.

If you want to talk stats then Willows are more appropriate. Yours are correct assuming they are filled out accurately and by EVERYONE, otherwise they don't count. Which is no way to get population figures... It is a way to determine things like family size, male v female, locations etc with statistically significant numbers. To use it to calculate our WHOLE population is inaccurate.

 

[El Diablo]

El Diablo may have a bit of a chip on his shoulder about AFL and more power to him. In most cases he's actually right. The media favouritism regarding coverage of AFL off-field indiscretions in comparison to NRL is quite disgusting.

The problem with "the real world outside rugby league forums" is that the "peoples opinions" you speak of are fed by the very media we're discussing. They drum up the hysteria, they write inflammatory opinion columns and emotively-worded articles that make people believe whatever they want them to believe, instead of what the actual facts might be.

There's no doubt the players need to stop getting up to stupid sh*t. But there's no excuse for the hysteria the media drums up about incidents... especially given they're the same people who adore the redemption of the same guys a year or two later - Carney being just one example.

the media bias is sickening

was watching Sky News last night and they made sure that everyone knew that Gabe Watson (honeymonn killer) was wearing a South Sydney top when he left prison by mentioning it in their story

even got a mention online too

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...-out-of-brisbane/story-e6frfku0-1225951962688

Wearing a green South Sydney Rabbitohs' jacket and a white hat, Watson boarded Qantas flight QF619 shortly after midday AEST, accompanied by his solicitor Adrian Braithwaite.

just a way to somehow try and link him to RL

 

[chefman21]

So so glad this thread has moved to character bashing...

 

[MightyBronco]

Did anyone else see Lisa Mcunes boobs on the ABC last night? The rake i think the shows called. Welll worth watching on iview. She has sexy little perky ones with erect nipples...

See, the ABC is still OK.

 

[Willow]

So so glad this thread has moved to character bashing...

Cook, you first have to be a character.

Btw, I have a new degree for you. Found it inside one of these...

 

[_snafu_]

Exactly so you figures are on the underside of everything...

Willows comparison was correct using estimates. You are using list-wise data while Willow used estimated pair-wise data. That means for your data if someone didn't fill in a census form correctly or at all they don't exists... Willow sources use mathematical probability and calculate the likely (ie. significant) chance of the population being about 21mill.

If you want to talk stats then Willows are more appropriate. Yours are correct assuming they are filled out accurately and by EVERYONE, otherwise they don't count. Which is no way to get population figures... It is a way to determine things like family size, male v female, locations etc with statistically significant numbers. To use it to calculate our WHOLE population is inaccurate.

You can read one thing into chefman's posts - he either didn't enrol in, or skipped lectures on, actuarial studies.

If he is worth his salt, he would include in his "analysis" that there are inherent errors in coming to a conclusion in respect of the current state of affairs when using data that is 5 to 15 years old. He tries to be "academic" in his approach, but then does a shoddy job by failing to fully factor in and explain errors, which is a fundamental principle in scientific theory.

As for bagging the World Bank data and statistics. The World Bank gets its data from the ABS, the very body where he sources data to support his conclusions.

 

[Timmah]

So so glad this thread has moved to character bashing...

Everyone I can see is simply working to disprove your crackpot statements...

 

[chefman21]

Everyone I can see is simply working to disprove your crackpot statements...

You need that many people?:lol:

Some people have way too much time on their hands...:-k

 

[Timmah]

My god, how do you backpedal so fast on such a small circus bicycle?

 

[Timmah]

Wait I have a theory!

chefman21 = Razor. Similar argumentative style.


Just waiting for 123...