The Art Of Class War - The Monthly Article

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  1. Perth Red

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    what is your opinion on Vlandys cutting Telstra out of the extension without even speaking to them, costing the game at least $100mill?
     
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    V"landys has retained digital rights .That could well be worth more than the $100m.In any case under current circumstances with Telstra cutting back on costs ,with a drop in their profits and the comparison in the AFL/NRL deals and the additional publicity Telstra does with the AFL, perhaps V'Landys thought we got the wrong end of the pineapple.I'm sure with your insider's knowledge you can ferret this out.

    Why is your opinion of yourself being immediately negative about every new CEO who starts at the NRL, ditto Chairman.Not even hit the ground running?
    What is wrong with in house promotion? Plenty of companies do it.

    Why did you support Smith, spending huge sums on consultants ,when results were few and far between.?
    Why did you consistently bag Greenberg, then when he got flicked cry?

    Why do you bag V'Landys/Abdo's Tv deal with the Foxtel extension, which was kept in confidence, just like the Qld Govt is keeping the money they are spending on the AFL Grand Final and boosting grassroots is kept in confidence?

    Why did you bag the renegotiated COVID TV deal, yet the AFL took a financial hit in theirs, and in both cases you had no idea of the figures?
    Why do you pretend to know the ins and outs of Sydney NRL clubs ,their fans' knowledge of transport issues, when you may as well be in the Sahara?Then continually promote they should be axed ?

    I could throw in a lot more questions, and you'll come up with your usual bitter spiel.It's father's day, time to be happy.
     
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    So smith was rogue for getting the biggest ever fta dealmwith Ch9 without speaking with fox but vlandys and abdo are smart for selling streaming rights to fox and cutting out Telstra without even speaking to them? Hmmmmm.
    As for the rest, yawn. Old ground we’ve been over a hundred times.
     
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    Sorry bud you wrote all that but didn't answer the question I asked....why did the AFL only sign with News until 2022....the world's caving in don't they want 7 year security like us....

    Yes we were first to get going and Pete v got alot of brownie points....which now means what???????
    Bigger crowds...bigger tv audiences...more sponsors....more money....global audience....
     
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    Your the one who complained asking ,e about Telstra not being told, yet you have been quite happy for ages for News not to be told, the NRL would not be working on the same format when negotiating TV deals as they have done for years prior.
    Despite Smith going rogue the NRL got a lot less than overall than the AFL.The AFL according to the Masters(not a News lackey) of this world got extra loot because of this.
    Of course the last para gets to you, you see the world through negativity.
     
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    Well bud. Ever thought the possibility that the NRL was concerned and rightly so of the after effects of COVID would run for many years.Your PR mate, has laughingly compared COVID effects to the GFC,which any economist, banker etc would ROFL.Oh and scoop ,we are now in a recession.

    The AFL were slow off the mark getting their comp upland its possible they thought they would not be affected as much.They took a financial hit by having to have all those teams move to Qld.
    They got a deal according to media(yes not confirmed) of $1bn over the 5 year, because all deals are done in confidence, including the AFL.
    News ATM is trying to cut back on Cricket deals because ,wait for it,the media is is deep sh*t around the world with falling revenues.
    Maybe you should ask why the AFL extended a cut price extension (according to the media) of their current TV deal to end 2024 with FTA ch7.If they were so certain of themselves why not hold back?

    A dumb final para hardly worthy of any response.
    Considering we are in the midst of a health pandemic and financial disaster,getting the code up and running ASAP(2 weeks early) was to bring extra TV revenue in ,that would otherwise have not been obtained.That's two weeks extra revenue the other codes did not get.
    Also provided an extra couple of weeks to get as many rounds in as humanly possible.
    You'd be one the first to complain if there codes got up a couple of weeks earlier, stating the admin is asleep at the wheel.
    How dare the NRL attempt to maximise their revenue in times such as these.And gain revenue certainty with their major TV broadcasting outlet til end 2027.
     
  7. Perth Red

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    but why sell the rights to fox and not offer streaming rights to Telstra? A decision that has cost the game at last $100million. What’s your take on why he would do that? Maybe he has sold exclusive streaming rights to fox without putting them out to tender so you think? You’ve spent years slamming Smith for doing the same thing.

    as for the last rights, smith got more from fta than afl got. Let that sink in for a minute. No one has achieved that since before SL.
    He wasn’t around to get an equally good deal from Fox. Maybe that’s why we got less than afl?
     
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    McLachlan has confirmed the deal is worth $146mill annual avg over the 5 years. He’s not as shy as Vlandys to tell us what they got.

    Maximise revenue? By cutting out a $20mill revenue from Telstra?
     
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    It wasn't a race to be first...
    I think the AFL would be just as concerned for the future as league no matter the perception created by the news Ltd propaganda machine...sorry I mean media.
    Yet the only signed until 2022 and tied up free to air....which is the dead duck of media....wise move.

    So again I ask why wouldn't they do a longer deal...both sports have the same concerns and threats.
    What do they know that big Pete v doesn't??
     
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    Because the Rl are waiting to negotiate the next contracts with FTA stations.Having the digital up your sleeve is another arrow in the quiver.
    Smith didn't get the full rights FTA and pay.So you can't compare. Anycase the AFL did better as Smith went rushing in ignoring a major partner in the broadcast side.I am still waiting for someone to tell me why he was left to announce the FTA deal, when no other NRL execs were with him.Never happened before or since.
    One more time since post SL, the AFL has consistently got better deals than the NRL..That has given them more opportunities.The past deal makers for the NRLnand News have a lot to answer for.
     
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    By holding back an asset, that hasn't been released and will be used as a future negotiation lever, that's why .Especially with ch7 indicating they wouldn't mind Rugby league, and they are getting the sh*ts with cricket and may toss them, with 9 wanting in.
    Remember it was you that reckoned VLandys would flog off digital ,telling us so on this site.

    Plus ensure financial certainty til end of 2027 from your major broadcasting partner.<ore so as broadcasting companies are going to feel the pinch even more so down the line.

    LOL.Then why does the Qld Govt and the AFL not announce the amount of money the AFL is getting for the G/F in Brisbane.Particularly whenever a major NRL event is staged in a city, the figure is announced.

    So Gil makes an announcement of a figure ,ever thought it may be inflated for public and competitive purposes, as it was a later announcement?Often it is suggested when the NRL makes a deal, but, but what about the non cash contras?
    The AFL at times keeps their cards close to their chests, and Vlad is doing the same.

    Because way back a certain um and aaghing CEO stated publicly he cracked a record 6 year deal for the NRL $500m.A couple of weeks later the AFL came in with $780m over 5 years.
    Sometimes it pays CEOs to STFU,else end up with egg on face.
     
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    Never said it was.But it was for the NRL anyway a race to get the code up and running because each weekend they were not playing was costing the game tens of millions of dollars.
    The fact AFL people bagged the NRL for getting it up on 28th May, showed them it was possible with the right protocols that a code(NRL) could do it.At the same time ,by getting the code up and running, meant there was no excuse for Skidmarks of 9 to renege on the TV deal that was renegotiated.
    It had nothing to do with News ltd propaganda, the getting up on 28th May was well publicised by media organisations and social media throughout the country.
    Project Apollo had zero to do with News Ltd, remember we are not half owned by that grubby organisation, but Pearce, Troy Grant ,Abdo etc were involved ensuring all protocols were in place.

    Mate we have to accept the horrible fact Nes for good or bad, is a major revenue source for the NRL.They have skewered my club numerous times.
    The AFL actually signed up til end 2024 extending by 2 years.And the COVID situation got worse for them ,since, as Vic clubs had to go to Qld at AFLs expense.Extra costs they couldn't allow for ATT of teh 7 deal.
    These are uncertain times.broadcasters around the world are feeling the pinch, check any overseas news source.
    Once again I repeat , the NRL under uncertain times have locked in certain income til end 2027, from their major broadcast revenue provider.Bearing in mind the NRL did not have to touch their line of credit of $250m(which they may have had to if they didn't start on 28th May).
    They now have ch7 expressing interest in the NRL, so holding back on digital and not having.a deal with 9, creates competitive tension for 2023.

    The AFL have taken a gamble ,that either things will improve, the big organisations like Google etc might get involved.A lot of ifs.
    The NRL does not have assets, the AFL does with Marvel Stadium.Both codes are slashing costs including head office.
    This is nothing like the GFC.I'd suggest the country will continue to have high unemployment ,meaning less bums on seats for games, so any major revenue from other sources is vital for a code's survival.

    Vlad may well be involved in the racing/gambling industry, but his conservative accounting background suggests in my book, he wants certainty of long term revenue to safety code the clubs.
    And also if as stated by media that the AFL is expecting a $400m loss, why would you gamble on what may or may not happen.but tie in long term deals to give clubs some security.By the extension of FTA by only 2 years, even ch7 hasn't got a clue what the situation will be.Ditto for ch9.

    All I know now the country is in recession a pretty bad one, playing wait and see for Tv deals is risky.Check the ARU,A League .There is not the money going around for Tv stations.ad revenue is cactus, people are being sacked .Ch10 is now living on the a*se of its pants.
    Sorry,I want some degree of certainty for revenue.
     
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    You think Ch9 are going to pay up big for joint streaming rights with Kayo? lol.
    Smith signed the biggest FTA TV deal in the games history, thats a fact. Who knows what he might have done with Fox if Grant hadnt capitulated to big bad Rupert.
    Well Vlandys just announced the Fox extension on his own, maybe the ARLC board actually thought it wa sa good idea to let the CEO do his job?
    On this we can agree, apart from Smith's Ch9 deal we have lost out each time, and probably will this time in all reality. Losing your balls half way through negotiations and sacking your CEO at the behest of the Tv company is hardly helping the cause.

    I suspect Fox's issues were in the hard ball style of Smith, not in his lack of conversation wit them, especially when you read media reports at the time like this which clearly indicate that discussions were underway alongside the FTA discussions"

    "Mr Smith said that, while the initial focus had been on free to air rights, the NRL had already held extensive discussions with a number of operators involved in pay television and streaming rights.

    The digital media market is changing rapidly and it is our view that new and exciting opportunities will develop with Fox Sports and other providers,” he said.

    “By 2018, the digital world will be very different and we want to be in the best possible position to take advantage of any changes.

    “So negotiations with the pay tv and digital providers will continue and, again, our focus will be on ensuring the most widespread coverage on whatever platform fans choose to watch rugby league.” "

    https://westernweekender.com.au/2015/08/nrl-announces-new-record-tv-deal/
     
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    He's signed the streaming rights to Fox as part of the extension lol. No one else is buying all 8 games streaming, you can put your house on that. IF it was the case why would you cut Telstra out without even speaking with them? surely you'd give them first opportunity to make you an offer given they are paying AFL $50mill a year! The FTA deal will include the streaming rights for just the FTA games, as it is now.
    Foxsports future is increasingly Kayo over the next 7 years, the exclusive 8 game streaming rights are already locked away, mark my words.

    We dont know where the "$40-50mill" in cost savings is coming from, I wouldn't be too hasty about the digital investment!

    The actual Govt investment figure is never announced, its guessed at by media. Tell me how much WA paid for Origin for example. I've seen media from $2mill-$10mill mentioned.They are already counter arguing the how ever many millions paid by putting out stories it will generate $17mill for the State lol.

    Ah so after being proven that in fact announcements have been made your now suggesting he may be lying? Someones reaching lol

    Like said, no one in last 20 years has refused to share details of a TV deal, this is the first time. We should be suspicious.
     
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    Greenberg deserved to be sacked. He didn't do anything positive for the game and was more concerned with making himself look good by going along with whatever social cause was in fashion. If he was still in charge there wouldn't be any talk of Brisbane 2.
     
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    Sorry to spoil the party. LOL .Telstra to lose mobile rights (Sports Business Media)"It's a sub licensing deal with Pay-television broadcaster Foxtel.The SMH reported yesterday 3/6 that the NRL has blocked Foxtel from sub licensing the rights in the next cycle ,under a new deal agreed last week, covering 2023-2027.
    The Sydney Morning Herald report said the NRL was holding back the mobile rights primarily to boost the exclusive rights it could offer to FTA partner Nine in upcoming renewal talks .The league is said to be keen to secure a 5 year extension with Nine for 2023-2027.Nine could potentially use the mobile rights for its streaming app.9Now.
    The full details of Foxtel's extension for 2023-2027 have not be unveiled, but it's known that, as it did in the current cycle, the NRL has held back for FTA television exclusive rights to the Grand Final and SOO games."

    AFL got $50m pa from Telstra and the NRL: got $20m under current deal.Who is screwing who?
    The old deal was a lucrative perk Telstra could offer its customers (A free NRL Live Pass) all games on smartphones."My free access to NRL app as a Telstra mobile customer takes away one big reason to consider subscribing to Foxtel or Kayo said Morningstar analyst Brian Han."

    Another point "News Corp treated Foxtel as its own business ,something to grow. Telstra meanwhile
    has historically viewed Foxtel as a defensive asset-a way of blocking competition."

    Not lying whiner just providing facts.Perhaps unpalatable for you.

    This coming from a guy, who praised Smith for going to Nine for a deal,,without having the decency to go to the other partner to state his intention.Yet the NRL did not contact Telstra and this same guy from WA is bagging the NRL for doing exactly what Smith did ,keeping a broadcasting partner out of the equation. You can't be serious LOL.From the same guy whose club ,went out on a limb and went to SL, without a by your leave to the ARL admin.

    "Mark your words' Your arrogance shines through like a beam of light in a cave.

    Abdo has been spending some time looking at where cost savings can be made.That is not a scoop, but stated by Vlad.

    FYI to come out and say we are taking it (cost cuts)from here.....,when only in the last day or so, the RLPA and the NRL finally agreed to the 30 man squads ,when the NRL was looking at 28 man squads.So of course to say the $40-50m will be coming from here ,is premature ,colour me surprised.

    "None in the last 20 years has refused to share details of a TV deal" Source and or links covering every deal?


    Anyone with half a clue under the current recession/COVID drama in this country,(although you believe it's no worse than the GFC LOL),would understand sporting organisations which have had to renegotiate new deals with current contracts or negotiate future contracts when dealing with TV broadcasters(already in financial difficulties) would want to keep the info close to their chests.

    For the AFL to state they got a better deal than the NRL in the renegotiation, when Vlad didn't state an amount(in commercial confidence), is laughable.I earn more money than you, but I don't know what you're earning .But, but the media says it's such and such.

    In fact the Herald FWIW noted" The NRL has taken a vow of silence in regards to the details of its extension with Foxtel to assist the pay television network's negotiations with the AFL"
    SMH"In fact the AFL was not able to secure an extended with Foxtel, presumably because it would not agree to the discount its Pay tv partner sought.

    The Herald again" Vlandys noted his Tv dealings have secured the long term future of the code, We're giving NRL clubs more money, the players have only taken a 20% cut and we've got no BORROWINGS."

    Oh and as to betting revenue negotiated, "AFL is 2.5% Betfair ,the NRL will be 4 times more expensive."
    NRL dudded LOL.
    But you keep on looking for the negatives, even though at times when given positives you'll find a threatening cloud lurking on the horizon.
     
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    And how convenient the media don't push him on it, if only they paid the same courtesy to those dastardly leaders we previously had.
     
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    the silence from the media questioning the deal is as deafening as the silence from nrlhq. But hey I’m sure tai is right and nothing to see here lol.
     

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