The fourth bench spot......

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  1. Overseas dragon

    Overseas dragon Juniors

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    An enterprising coach might have Dufty as the cover for Cam McInnes with Widdop moving back into the halves, and Hunt hooker for 10 to 15 minutes. The other option might be Robson ,or do we have 4 big boys. Well guys I like the first option, I realise if we don't play Robson we might lose him .????? What's the consensus ... ...
     
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  2. nontime111

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    I must be Robson

    3 big bodies and some wildcard attacking relief for Mcinnes who struggled to go 80 in a lot of games last year

    my bench:
    Korbin
    Leilua
    Latimore
    Robson
     
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  3. Old Timer

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    Latimore FMD you surely are kidding aren't you?
    Lawrie doesn't rate with you and you have no interest in finding out how Host has developed?
    Even if JDB is a scratching Latimore shouldn't be in contention.
     
  4. gitano

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    Depends on conditions and the side they're up against.
     
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  5. muzby

    muzby Village Idiot Staff Member

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    Who cares...

    It’s not like they’d ever see game time anyway..
     
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  6. Old Timer

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    Unless there are 2 major injuries to forwards he shouldn't get a look in.
    Starting side Vaughan, Graham, Frizzell, T Sims, JDB
    Bench options K Sims, Lawrie, Leilua, Robson, Host, Kerr should all be in front of him and if not shouldn't be on our books.
     
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  7. dragon thomo

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    I agree old timer if we are serious contenders latimore will not be in first grade. I for one was surprised how well latimore went last year but he should only be a stop gap forward for us. If the younger players cannot get in front of him this year they need to be let go.
     
  8. Old Timer

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    The argument re Latimore really irks me.
    1. Is he a good bloke? By all accounts a great fellow
    2. Would he get the same gig with another top 8 team? Not likely.
    3. Can he teach anyone in the 1st grade squad anything by playing with them? No
    4. Can he teach and mentor young blokes in reggies? Definitely
    5. If people think we can win the comp this year, then to have Latimore on their bench they must think we can't win the premiership without him being there. So that beggars the question who believes that Latimore can make the difference between winning or losing a premiership? Not me
    6. Latimore is on a 1 year contract, not likely to be retained next year and if people don't think he will make the difference between in winning or losing the comp then why the f**k would you pick him? Mystifying IMO
    7. The pro Latimore people will then say, if Latimore is not picked do I think the player in front of him will make the difference between winning or losing the comp? The answer is I don't know but I am certainly willing to find out and if they don't do it this year they might just do it next year and that won't happen with Latimore.
     
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  9. TomRedVRiver

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    Robson.

    Next.
     
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  10. gitano

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    Lattimore is a teriffic player and a must in the 17 each week, hence he will be.

    If you don't truly understand rugby league though, I can see how you'd think otherwise.
     
  11. possm

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    Many on here trying to fit Dufty in anyway possible. In my opinion Dufty's best position is fullback and the solution is for him to address his skill problems, build up his muscle mass and demand selection as first grade fullback through outstanding form in ISP.

    Like Dean Young, Robson is the natural fit for the 14 jumper. He would add a new dimension to the attack when coming on to relieve McInnes.

    The speed missing while Dufty is in ISP will only be replaced with the selection of two very big and fast wingers, otherwise I am afraid that Mary will have to rely on something other than speed to ignite the Dragons attack.
     
  12. Overseas dragon

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    I do agree possm also with Pearson and ravalawa on the wings that's also a way of getting speed into our slow backline only if Periera and Lomax are the wingers with Aiken and Lafai we need an injection of speed....
     
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    Exactly
    But that requires lateral thinking & footysmarts quite beyond the intellectual capacity of the Waterboy
     
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  14. Dragonslayer

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    I think the arguement here is that Latimore will probably start the season for the first 2 games whilst Sims serves his suspension.

    However, if he appears again after that, barring injury or suspension, then I would say a definite FMD!!!.

    Further, the whole bench makeup will only be determined upon the JDB preceedings. Then we play the IF game.

    My bench (as it stands).
    K. Sims (latimore for 1st 2 games)
    Lawrie
    Leilua (if JDB suspended then Hist to right edge and Friz to lock)
    Robson

    Forward fatigue was the big issue, especially last season, and Robson allows for multiple oppirtunities to rest forwards during a game as he can cover hooker and 2nd row.
     
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  15. possm

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    It would be really great if we could get an idea of how the likes of Kerr, Timm, Backer and Lawrie are going in the off-season. I just think it is a big waste of opportunity to play Latimore in the absence of K Sims. If Mary is so inscure, maybe Latimore on the bench however, I really would not even do that. My forward pack for round 1 and 2 would be:

    8. Vaughan
    9. McInnes
    10. Graham
    11. T Sims
    12. Frizell
    13. De Belin
    14. Robson
    15. Lawrie
    16. Kerr/Timm/ Blacker
    17. Leilua

    If De Belin is out then Frizell to lock, Leilua to the run on side and Host to the bench.
     
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  16. Old Timer

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    If we start with Latimore regardless of K Sims or JDB it is still a massive FMD situation.
    Starting the season conservatively will only reinforce that psychology especially if we win a couple of games early.
    Mc Fookknuckle only needs the slightest invitation to stick with something conservative whilst everyone else knows it is flawed philosophy.
    Start the season with a breath of fresh air and a new approach as there is plenty of time to alter it if need be but if we don't take the opportunity 1st up it will never happen later on.
    Change forced by adversity is the methodology of our coach.
     
  17. Dragonslayer

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    Whilst I agree with you OT the oppisite can also apply.
    Start aggressively with some untried props such as Timm or Kerr, and we lose those games, may force McGregor into conservatism, and we will see more of the likes of Latimore and dare I say Allgood.
    One thing is for sure us that our backup prop options are not good.
     
  18. Old Timer

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    Nobody can be sure that they are not good because we are yet to see them in the top grade.
    Kerr may in fact relish being amongst such a good pack whereas he is lost in the lower grade amongst mediocrity with a lack of leadership.
     
  19. DragonJ

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    Latimore is on minimal money, has a simple job to do and does it well. It's only a question of whether one of the guys you mention can do it better. IMO it's a tough question. I tend to think they can (do Latimore's job better than Latimore) but it's certainly debatable.

    As for your hyper aggression, I think takes away from your otherwise flawless morals. Did you go to church today?
     
  20. Old Timer

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    You are really are not very bright.
    You keep referring to "morals" as if I was the one who introduced it to our exchanges.
    Go back and have a really good look at the posts between ourselves and you will see quite clearly that you made the initial moral comment which was in relation to De Belin.
    in respect of going to church no I didn't nor do I have any need to.
    So bak to the Latimore question where you like many others introduce the argument of "he is on minimal money" as some form of justification for his repeated selection.
    I don't care how much money he is on I firmly believe we have far better options to explore and it astounds me that doesn't happen and what astounds me more is people are too frightened to lose a game or 2 to bother to find out and in the meantime we lose a few games anyway.
     
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