The grand plan

[Gobsmacked]

Catalans are competing with usap who are huge

They are so influential they banned Catalans from playing on their council owned stadia the Aimee giral

Toulose have a good relationship with the local union side they were playing games at their ground. Don’t know if they plan on going back to one of their smaller grounds in the outskirts of the city

Thing about France sport is the local councils pump loads of money into sports teams to make them strong

Toulose isn’t a new club either

There’s talk of English championship and the French leagues merging

The realistic option for France is four French super league teams rather than their own league but it needs a French tv deal that pays money which hopefully toulose might bring

If France get strong again you’ve got the international game which will benefit

There’s loads of places in the south of France that might support a super league team

Lyon marseille Avignon etc etc

This is where nrl being involved in super league might work

I can’t see where Aussies can grow the existing super league clubs much they are already close to potential except Bradford and Wakey

But investors in Sheffield Newcastle and Salford would be good

I wish Lockyer and his mate had bought Salford that’s more likely to turn around long term than London

It's very interesting to see how this all plays out.
The best outcome for France at the moment I think is that the NRL buys into SL, negotiating a better TV deal, giving clubs a bigger grant and a long term SL license.
We're lucky that there's 2 French clubs in SL during this process. It means there's a high likelihood that we have 2 fully professional, well funded SL clubs in France...long term!
This will give a sides like Catalans and Toulouse more incentive to develop French talent and the cash to do it.

I'd love to see another French team in SL but I doubt it would be any time soon.
Hopefully on grading and strategic reasons SL stays at 14 with one M62 club relegated and London promoted.
That stays sustainable for 5 to ten years, then you can expand to 16, maybe a French outfit is one of those but first you need one looking at the Championship..do you know of any ambiguous French club atm?

 

[Pippen94]

It’s an established comp, no start up fees. It’s already generating around $50mill a year in revenue. You’d only invest in it if you thought you could increase its audience and there by the revenue it can generate.
So yeh investing say $10mill a year into SL with its established business, customer and supply base, or $50 mill a year into a start up in two countries with very ltd interest and virtually no current revenue generation I’d say is a bit of a no brainer decision.

..and NRL wants french teams in it

 

[Perth Red]

They (England) can’t pay back their Covid loans

This might shock you but France is also an established league

France has more upside than England does

And the French would do what the nrl wants in terms of comp structure and mergers or not putting village teams in the elite league if the nrl doesn’t want them

Not true, SL clubs have paid back the loans.
haha have you seen the French league? Its value is next to nothing. It generates virtually zero revenue.

sure it does that’s why investors are falling over themselves to create a ft league and why French clubs aren’t desperate to Jon. English comps lol


so why haven’t nrl invested in it? You totally failed to answer the wifm question! Why would nrl invest $40-50mill a year for decades into a France competition?

 

[Perth Red]

Catalans was a merger of two existing French teams 13 Catalan and st eveste

Les Catalans revenue of 13 million euro is on par with Leeds rhinos revenue even though Leeds is a big city and peripgnan a small town

their 13 million euro revenue claim is Interesting. They said they got 5million in sponsorship and hospitality sales that year. 900k in council grant. That leaves 7.1 million in fan spend. Considering that year their attendance was only an avg of 9k that seems quite a stretch! Unfortunately with no annual report publicly published we can’t see the veracity of that claimed revenue.

 

[Wb1234]

their 13 million euro revenue claim is Interesting. They said they got 5million in sponsorship and hospitality sales that year. 900k in council grant. That leaves 7.1 million in fan spend. Considering that year their attendance was only an avg of 9k that seems quite a stretch! Unfortunately with no annual report publicly published we can’t see the veracity of that claimed revenue.

Yeh they are making it up

Interesting that it’s over 2 million pounds more revenue than hull kr

Not true, SL clubs have paid back the loans.
haha have you seen the French league? Its value is next to nothing. It generates virtually zero revenue.

sure it does that’s why investors are falling over themselves to create a ft league and why French clubs aren’t desperate to Jon. English comps lol


so why haven’t nrl invested in it? You totally failed to answer the wifm question! Why would nrl invest $40-50mill a year for decades into a France competition?

I said France is a better choice to invest than super league

1. Super league offers little growth potential
2 English fans are resistant to change
3. Soccer dominates all in England. France is more open

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh they are making it up

Interesting that it’s over 2 million pounds more revenue than hull kr
I said France is a better choice to invest than super league

1. Super league offers little growth potential
2 English fans are resistant to change
3. Soccer dominates all in England. France is more open

Interesting is one word for it, given we avg more fans. It’s almost like to sounds a bit suspect dont you think?

1. what makes you say that?
Take hkr. Gone from third division and bankrupt in front of under 1000 fans in run down stadium to world champions with season long sell out 11k developing stadium, building a retail park and taking record number of fans to Vegas. Imagine where SL would be if all clubs could replicate that growth. I’d say theres a ton of untapped potential for SL.

2. humans are resistant to change

3. soccer doesn’t dominate in France? Are you on crack?

 

[Wb1234]

Interesting is one word for it, given we avg more fans. It’s almost like to sounds a bit suspect dont you think?

1. what makes you say that?
Take hkr. Gone from third division and bankrupt in front of under 1000 fans in run down stadium to world champions with season long sell out 11k developing stadium, building a retail park and taking record number of fans to Vegas. Imagine where SL would be if all clubs could replicate that growth. I’d say theres a ton of untapped potential for SL.

2. humans are resistant to change

3. soccer doesn’t dominate in France? Are you on crack?

Rugby is very popular in the South of France

Catalans crowd average In super league has been over 8k which is more than hull kr

As I said they get a lot of support from the local council

And sure hull kr have done well to get to where they are today

For super league your game is maxed out with the existing clubs in terms of growth

Unless you add clubs in London salford back in, Sheffield Newcastle and wales there’s little growth (maybe tv ratings could double down the track)

France offers huge growth and if toulose gets a paid tv deal super league will see the benefit of more French clubs

 

[Perth Red]

Rugby is very popular in the South of France

Catalans crowd average In super league has been over 8k which is more than hull kr

As I said they get a lot of support from the local council

And sure hull kr have done well to get to where they are today

For super league your game is maxed out with the existing clubs in terms of growth

Unless you add clubs in London salford back in, Sheffield Newcastle and wales there’s little growth (maybe tv ratings could double down the track)

France offers huge growth and if toulose gets a paid tv deal super league will see the benefit of more French clubs

hkr crowd avg is over 10k.

Err I literally just showed you how one club has gone from 1000 fans to 10,000 fans attending. How can you say it’s maxed out?
leigh have gone from 1000 to 8000
wakey are growing
bradford have potential to hit over 10k from not being in the comp
There’s heaps of growth potential.
we are one good tv deal away from SL booming.

social media is through the roof, attendances up, tv audiences up. We now need to capitalise over next two tv deals and the game will be just fine without the nrl.

tell me where in France do you think these ten teams are that the nrl is going to throw $50mill a year at for no return? Oh I know we could bring back PSG that worked so well last time.

 

[Pippen94]

hkr crowd avg is over 10k.

Err I literally just showed you how one club has gone from 1000 fans to 10,000 fans attending. How can you say it’s maxed out?
leigh have gone from 1000 to 8000
wakey are growing
bradford have potential to hit over 10k from not being in the comp
There’s heaps of growth potential.
we are one good tv deal away from SL booming.

social media is through the roof, attendances up, tv audiences up. We now need to capitalise over next two tv deals and the game will be just fine without the nrl.

tell me where in France do you think these ten teams are that the nrl is going to throw $50mill a year at for no return? Oh I know we could bring back PSG that worked so well last time.

Should invest in Oldham, Salford, crusaders, Featherstone, Halifax..

 

[Wb1234]

hkr crowd avg is over 10k.

Err I literally just showed you how one club has gone from 1000 fans to 10,000 fans attending. How can you say it’s maxed out?
leigh have gone from 1000 to 8000
wakey are growing
bradford have potential to hit over 10k from not being in the comp
There’s heaps of growth potential.
we are one good tv deal away from SL booming.

social media is through the roof, attendances up, tv audiences up. We now need to capitalise over next two tv deals and the game will be just fine without the nrl.

tell me where in France do you think these ten teams are that the nrl is going to throw $50mill a year at for no return? Oh I know we could bring back PSG that worked so well last time.

Hull kr long term average crowds in super league are below Catalans

Where’s the growth coming from England in the exisiting clubs ?


Wakey and Bradford are pretty much it and that’s not going to make a huge difference

Average crowds and ratings are below peak levels of ten years ago

France I would be adding Lyon marseille Avignon plus the best elite clubs together worth Catalans and toulose

 

[RL The greatest game]

Yeh they are making it up

Interesting that it’s over 2 million pounds more revenue than hull kr
I said France is a better choice to invest than super league

1. Super league offers little growth potential
2 English fans are resistant to change
3. Soccer dominates all in England. France is more open

An investment in French junior leagues over a peroid of time would not only benefit French Rugby league, but also give NRL clubs access to promising young French players.
Also i would say that if they NRL and the London Broncos could do a joint venture with junior Rugby League clubs in London the benefits for both would be enormous with Londons population around 9 million, and huge pool of untapped talent who would make very good Rugby League players given the chance.

 

[Perth Red]

Hull kr long term average crowds in super league are below Catalans

Where’s the growth coming from England in the exisiting clubs ?


Wakey and Bradford are pretty much it and that’s not going to make a huge difference

Average crowds and ratings are below peak levels of ten years ago

France I would be adding Lyon marseille Avignon plus the best elite clubs together worth Catalans and toulose

Like I just showed, we’re already seeing significant growth in some club. Bradford coming in on net zero and have potential to go over 15k fans as we have seen in past. Wakey are were rovers were 3 years ago, nothing to say they can’t grow. If hkr can stay at top and hfc come good there will be major growth in East Yorkshire for the game.
Youve got no evidence at all that there isn’t plenty of growth opportunity in Current clubs. We’ve just added 3 clubs which will potentially add 25k attending fans to SL. if that’s not growth I dont know what is!

 

[Pippen94]

Like I just showed, we’re already seeing significant growth in some club. Bradford coming in on net zero and have potential to go over 15k fans as we have seen in past. Wakey are were rovers were 3 years ago, nothing to say they can’t grow. If hkr can stay at top and hfc come good there will be major growth in East Yorkshire for the game.
Youve got no evidence at all that there isn’t plenty of growth opportunity in Current clubs. We’ve just added 3 clubs which will potentially add 25k attending fans to SL. if that’s not growth I dont know what is!

But what about the uk clubs going under in the past month?!

 

[Wb1234]

Like I just showed, we’re already seeing significant growth in some club. Bradford coming in on net zero and have potential to go over 15k fans as we have seen in past. Wakey are were rovers were 3 years ago, nothing to say they can’t grow. If hkr can stay at top and hfc come good there will be major growth in East Yorkshire for the game.
Youve got no evidence at all that there isn’t plenty of growth opportunity in Current clubs. We’ve just added 3 clubs which will potentially add 25k attending fans to SL. if that’s not growth I dont know what is!

160 years of crowd history for some clubs

If Pvl took over today where’s the growth going to come from ?

Sure the game can become financially stable but that’s just about it

It’s a mature nieche sport for the existing clubs

 

[Wb1234]

Bulls 9992 and Catalans won’t have brought many

 

[Perth Red]

And some people whinged about bradford being allowed back in SL! We’ve swapped Salford with their 3k crowds for bulls with 10k, and SL has no growth lol?

 

[Gobsmacked]

And some people whinged about bradford being allowed back in SL! We’ve swapped Salford with their 3k crowds for bulls with 10k, and SL has no growth lol?

It's literally their first game, settle down lol
Funny how good crowds in Toronto meant nothing to you right..

 

[Pippen94]

And some people whinged about bradford being allowed back in SL! We’ve swapped Salford with their 3k crowds for bulls with 10k, and SL has no growth lol?

Bradford is big city club.

 

[Wb1234]

And some people whinged about bradford being allowed back in SL! We’ve swapped Salford with their 3k crowds for bulls with 10k, and SL has no growth lol?

You were one of them questioning if they could get their old crowds back

 

[Perth Red]

You were one of them questioning if they could get their old crowds back

Of course, but I said if they could what an asset they’d be. They are off to a great start.