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The NRL will consider a proposal to scrap premier league

girvie

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/youth-revolution-to-protect-best-talent/2006/07/22/1153166636918.html?page=2

Youth revolution to protect best talent

Daniel Lane and Will Swanton
July 23, 2006



THE NRL will consider a proposal this week to scrap premier league and replace it with a youth competition.

The idea behind the proposal, which will be put to the NRL board on Tuesday, is to allow the cream of rugby league's young talent to obtain a proper introduction to elite football.

However, it is believed the NRL will not impose an age limit on first-graders. The game's hierarchy - and marketing gurus - know the value of fast-tracking whiz-kids such as 19-year-olds like Parramatta's Jarryd Hayne and Melbourne's Greg Inglis.

The NRL will be told an age-specific competition would allow a young player to continue working on their game without playing against older premier league players.

The competition, with a working title of the Youth Cup will be the curtain-raiser to all first-grade games, making it the second-most prominent rugby league competition in Australia.

Unlike the premier league competition, every NRL club - including the New Zealand Warriors and the Gold Coast Titans - would be required to field a team.

Clubs such as Newtown, Balmain Ryde, Cougars, North Sydney and Wests that are competing in the 13-team strong premier league would play in a third-tier competition for older players. Many would remain as feeder clubs for NRL teams.

It has not been decided if the age limit will be set at 17, 19 or 21.
Australian Rugby League boss Geoff Carr, NSW Rugby League Academy coaching and development officer Martin Meredith and Penrith Panthers recruitment officer Peter Mulholland are among those who have worked on the blueprint.

It's believed the competition is being tailored to accommodate such things as the players' growth spurts.

It will allow young stars more time to finetune their skills and provide the next wave of top-graders an insight into the demands that would be expected of them in the NRL.

Although a competition boasting the stars of the future would appeal to many potential sponsors, there is sure to be a push from traditionalists to retain the names Jersey Flegg or SG Ball.

Former Australian Test captain Brad Fittler, a teenage phenomenon with Penrith, and Parramatta's outstanding young halfback Tim Smith yesterday led a chorus of calls that "if you're old enough you're good enough". However, Inglis said the NRL should be commended for trying to protect growing players from themselves.

"I reckon they're doing the right thing, I'm glad they're thinking about it," he said.


"But if you're already playing first grade, you should be allowed to stay there."

The 2005 rookie of the year Tim Smith, 21, subscribed to the good-enough-is-old-enough theory. "I was 20 when I played my first game last year," he said. "I'd have been shattered if I couldn't play first grade because they thought I was too young.

"You can see their point, but what about someone like Greg Inglis?

"It'd be a bit rough if he couldn't play for another couple of years. You wouldn't think he'd enjoy playing anything else.

"He's already playing the toughest game around.

"I don't think anyone would want blokes like him to not be playing."

Wests Tigers star Benji Marshall made his debut at 18. He's been outrageously successful but his body hasn't always coped.

Ditto Inglis. Ditto the Bulldogs' Sonny Bill Williams. Parramatta's Ben Smith is built like a tank but has been dogged by injuries since making his debut at 19 in 2004.

The debate is whether the young guns, whether they like it or not, need time to mature.

"No," Fittler said. "Good enough, old enough, put them in."

Carr yesterday refused to discuss details of proposal, saying it is something he wanted to speak to NRL directors about first.

"Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald first raised the idea of an under-20 competition but our research shows an under-20 competition would be too expensive to run," Carr said.

"What we've done is come up with a few other ideas and we could see the results in another way."

This could mean a younger age division, such as one for 19-year-olds. But some supporters will push for the competition to be as high as the under 23s because it would be a greater catchment area for players.

Another advantage of the competition is it would place a heavy emphasis on clubs to develop and nurture their juniors.

The Bulldogs academy is being held up as the prototype for others to follow. The club has invested more than $1 million in the academy since it was established 10 years ago.

Source: The Sun-Herald


I don't like this.

Relegating North Sydney, Newtown, Balmain and Western Suburbs is not a great way to treat foundation clubs in their 100th season.


How can the NRL make a decision to scrap Premier League? Wouldn't that be up to the NSWRL?
 

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There needs to be a proper PL in place. Melbourne, North Queensland, Brisbane, Gold Coast and Warriors need their juniors/others playing against the best PL teams so the jump from their respective comps to NRL isnt so big.

No offence to Bartercard and QLD Cup players but it isnt as strong as the NSWRL PL comp.

Wests and Balmain should merge, Newtown sticks with Roosters. Bears go with Souths.

The only real dilemma is CC Rip. They should merge with Newcastle.

Wests/Balmain can sort out their identity, Newtown, Bears and the RIP can keep their own while playing under another brand/NRL team.

Under PL level it can be each state for themselves, JBC/whatever.

Then get a proper national under 21's going...if they are good enough from other states like WA they get signed by the NRL/ARL and farmed out to a team like a national kiddy draft.
 

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This should be an NSWRL decision but the NRL have more influence. Older players need a place to go to when not required by the NRL team and PL provides this.

I don't see why there is such a big push fr this alternative age competition - WE ALREADY HAVE FLEGG! I think it is madness.
 

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Jeffles said:
This should be an NSWRL decision but the NRL have more influence. Older players need a place to go to when not required by the NRL team and PL provides this.

I don't see why there is such a big push fr this alternative age competition - WE ALREADY HAVE FLEGG! I think it is madness.
OLder players will still play...

"Clubs such as Newtown, Balmain Ryde, Cougars, North Sydney and Wests that are competing in the 13-team strong premier league would play in a third-tier competition for older players. Many would remain as feeder clubs for NRL teams."
 

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Blah. relegate the oldest clubs AGAIN in the 100th anniversary/season of rugby league in australia

f**k the f**kers
 

Jeffles

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Copa said:
OLder players will still play...

"Clubs such as Newtown, Balmain Ryde, Cougars, North Sydney and Wests that are competing in the 13-team strong premier league would play in a third-tier competition for older players. Many would remain as feeder clubs for NRL teams."

I meant older players playing in a 2nd tier. The 3rd tier is a fancy title for JBC.

The NRL already has a good system in PL and Flegg. If they are worried about younger players playing PL, send them to Flegg and call them up from Flegg. It's not rocket science.

In PL, there is a great RL product being undervalued. Tradtitional clubs paying each other with newer clubs representing interstate areas (Newcastle and Canberra). It is the equivalent of the Qld Cup (which features traditional Brisbane teams complemented by regional sides).

If the NSWRL and NRL think that the Jim Beam Cup and a fancy Flegg comp (which this new comp will be) can capture the public they are kidding themselves. Look at the AFL. They have maintained good structures in lower grades across the country and it builds on the big product. There is a decaying foundation in RL which is becoming too top heavy. It is a credit to the AFL that they pay for (and get) the Sydney comp on TV every week yet the NSWRL asks JBC clubs for a fair whack of money to pay for a highlights package on Foxtel.
 

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Jeffles said:
I meant older players playing in a 2nd tier. The 3rd tier is a fancy title for JBC.

The NRL already has a giood system in PL and Flegg. If they are worried about younger players playing PL, send them to Flegg and call them up from Flegg. It's not rocket science.

In PL, there is a great RL product being undervalued.

Agreed. I've also got to say as a HUGE fan of the Jersey Flegg comp its still nowhere near the standard of PL.

Flegg is often a lot more entertaining with a focus on attacking footy but its not played at nearly as intense a level and for every Flegg aged player who stars in PL theres 3 more who look way out of their depth and aren't nearly big enough or fast enough to make the grade yet.

A national under 20's comp as the official second tier ahead of PL would leave many rookies nowhere near as prepared for the reality of NRL footy.
 

Jeffles

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Another shortcoming of Flegg is its age limitation. Sometimes, young blokes need an older head around to help them develop. In the past two years, Newtown have used John Doyle and David Thompson to great effect. An all ages competition recognises that younger players are being called up to the NRL but also that older players are a necessary function of helping build that development path.
 

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They already have the transitional process of SG ball, to Flegg, THEN to Premier League. This is a ridiculous proposal. Every first grader for a hundred years has done and achieved what they have without this process.

Sounds like there are alterior motives at hand here. But who will stand to benefit from a change. $$$ who gets it !!!!

Total crap !!!!!!!!!!!!! Not required. Not neccesary. Total nonsense. !!!!!
 

Jeffles

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The protection argument baffles me. Besides the fact that players are protected in Flegg, why is it that a player good enough for NRL needs to be protected from PL?

Wayne Bennett said in a column that he is niot in favour of this and that it is more like NSWRL politicking to reform the game. The NSWRL don't realise how good they got it with PL - clubs that people care about. A competition modelled on the Jim Beam Cup is not the answer. The JBC itself is a yearly struggle for teams to make up the numbers.
 

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Maybe they should come to the Jets versus Bears game mate, and wake the f**k up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They really shart me off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:crazy: #-o ](*,) :fist: :BDH:
 
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To me it just doesn't make any sense. Why would you have a open age comp below the proposed "youth cup", or what ever its going to be called?
Sure there is some need to make sure the kiddies aren't being bashed everyweek, BUT as they say in the article "if you're good enough then you're old enough".
Why not just a nation wide U20's comp that feeds into the PL or QLD Cup, and then onto the NRL? With the JBC that reverts back to an A grade comp. Wouldn't that be a better grounding for the kiddies then going from U20's to NRL? Like Jeffles said, its good to have some old wise heads around.
The NSWRL should get off its arse and actually promote the PL and they'd be surpised to see that there are clubs that people actually support playing.
 
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