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The Riddell move - what it means

The Colonel

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Daily Telegraph said:
* Regular hooker Johbn Morris will be moved to five eighth with Riddell to become the Eels' starting hooker.

*Coach Brian Smith also indicated a scenario with Morris at dummy-half when Riddell is off.

*It is unclear what role Adam Dykes will play. He could be halfback or he could be on the bench.

*Riddell will continue to average around 50 minutes per game. He is expected to form a strong combination with Morris.

*Eels to reclaim some of their intimidating aura with Riddell's inclusion.
 

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* north parramatta maccers looking for 3 more part-time workers due to extra demand
 

Parraren

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I'm more concerned about what the implications are if we get Matt Orford. I can live with losing Dykes but losing Witty & Tim Smith as well is what really concerns me :?

I thought Witt was being groomed for 5/8? Now there's talk that Morris is our future 5/8?

I like the idea of 6. Witt & 7. Orford with Tim Smith as Orford's understudy. Hopefully Brian Smith doesn't make the mistake of going after a one year solution at the expense of 2 future stars :?
 

PARRA_FAN

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I believe Witt will be used as a halfback, and have Tim Smith at 5/8. Riddell would be good coming off the bench, but with $250,000 you might as well start him. Morris is an 80 minute player, and has been our best player this season, and is a good attacking player at both dummy half and 5/8.
 

Eels Dude

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I think Morris is better out of dummy half. I really hope we don't keep Dykes and sacrifice Tim Smith. Dykes has been patchy as best at halfback and is only at the club for another year, I really think we should focus on Witt and Smith as our future halves pairing. Where Morris and Riddell fit into that, I don't know.
 

The Colonel

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I think you will find that Morris played most of his football in juniros at 5/8. He made his debut on the wing for the Knights and played all over the park. His combination last year with Witt was good and should they stay together it would only get better. Getting into dummy half when Pig is off would allow someone like Mateo a position on the bench to prove his worth too.
 

The Engineers Room

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Colonel Eel said:
I think you will find that Morris played most of his football in juniros at 5/8. He made his debut on the wing for the Knights and played all over the park. His combination last year with Witt was good and should they stay together it would only get better. Getting into dummy half when Pig is off would allow someone like Mateo a position on the bench to prove his worth too.

It is a great move to sign Ridell. He is like having Hopkins playing hooker, in terms of an extra backrower in the pack. Except Riddell is a great ball player aswell.

Morris is a 5/8. Halfback would be a fight between Thorman and Tim Smith.
 

strider

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I don't believe Orford will come to Parra - I reckon it'll either be Melbourne or Newcastle for him.

So - does that mean Dykes will depart or not? - will we need his money for someone else other than Orford?

I also don't think Thorman will be around alot longer - better for him to go back home and make some cash and while he's not been worse than any of our other half/five-eigth options, he's not special enough to throw money at when he'd probably have more desire to go home.

I like Morris at 5/8 - last year we seemed to do well when he moved from hooker to 5/8 during games.
 

1eyedeel

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This is how I see it working:

Earlier this year, Smith wanted to play with two loose forwards - one at lock, one at 5/8 and interchangeable hooker and half. I think Smith believes the 5/8 role is redundant and that if you need to have your attack go wider you simply move the half to 5/8 and stick a prop forward in as first receiver who distributes the ball to your playmaker.

I think he may have recognised the glaring weaknesses in this strategy. Firstly, interchanging hooker and half doesn't give you much variety as Dykes and Morris relatively similiar players and two loose forwards means your attacking options are limited. So here's the tweak.

Smith still sees the five-eighth role as redundant. We continue to use prop forwards as an additional link player

You instead play an interchangeable hooker, five-eighth between Riddell and Morris. That gives you either:
a) an extra player in the forwards if Morris goes into dummy half. If Riddell is on the field in this instance he is availabel to take a hit-up.
b) an extra playmaker to use on the otherside of the ruck if Riddell is in at dummy half.

When working the ball out of your own half, Morris goes into dummy half more often, when attacking the opposition line Riddell goes to dummy half, increasing the chance of him barging over as well as increasing the attacking options. It also means when one of the dummy halfs makes a dart, the other is there to continue the flow.

The question then is what happens when Riddell comes off. Do you switch back to one playmaker. Probably its at this point that Smith brings on a nippy hooker to take advantage of tiring defence. If I was Smith, I'd actually be using Burt in this role. A couple of people on here have said that think he would make a good half back but I think this would be a brilliant position for him. Start on the wing and then late in the half move into dummy half. He has explosive speed and the ability to kick when necessary or even do something creative like chip over the top.

At this point you might, as the Colonel has noted, bring on Feleti Mateo off the bench who plays as an attacking lock forward. That's perhaps been the real problem with Smith's strategy this year is Wagon just doesn't provide that additional attacking potency we needed. Mateo will.

What I would also really like to see when Riddell comes off, is Hindmarsh come in and do a bit of dummy half work as well. He routinely creates tries whenever he decides to run from dummy half and you saw he was used in that capacity a number of times during state of origin. Especially dangerous late in the half and would certainly keep the marker defence alert.

What else this would mean....

Regardless of whether this is exactly how it plays, we only need one half and a backup option.

Right now, we have four in Dykes, Witt, Smith, Thorman. I think its safe to say that Thorman is heading back to England but that still leaves you three. Really, you still need your dominant halfback. If we can get Orford on short term basis, beautiful. Dykes is released. That still leaves Witt and Smith, though.

Simply, we don't need them both especially with Blake Green also coming up behind them. If we resign Smith, I think the only place at Parramatta next year would be for Witt to act as Morris' understudy and I don't know how keen he would be for that.

Sorry for the length, as you can see I have a tendency to overanalyse things to death...
 
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I think this should make for an interesting 2005. if we assume Dykes is to stay, then we have a plethora of halves/hookers to use, so many that we may see some big names playing Reggies.

Dykes, Morris, Riddell, Webster, Smith, Witt, to fit into 4 positions, and then we have others who have utility vanue that have played in half/hooker roles in the last two years ie Wags, Hopkins
 

bartman

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Well Orford is out of the picture now. I'll assume only one of Dykes and Throman will be with us next year...

Morris, Riddell, Witt, Thorman/Dykes provide a good cover for hooker, half and 5-8 positions. And then you throw in Tim Smith and Feleti Mateo and even Wagon as extra half/5-8 options during the season, and we're looking fine.

I don't think Webster is under contract for next season, and it may well come down to choosing between Webster and Smith or Thorman for a contract spot?
 

Eels Dude

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bartman said:
I don't think Webster is under contract for next season, and it may well come down to choosing between Webster and Smith or Thorman for a contract spot?

The club would be crazy if they didn't pick Smith out of those 3. Webster and Thorman are ok, but we're talking bout a future star here!
 

Misty Bee

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Clearly, with Pig at rake, and Morris at 5/8 (not really sure about that move, but anyway), we have a glut at half. This is how I read id.

DYKES - the most skilled option, but has fallen foul of Smith for some reason. On big $ - losing him would mean extra revinue for other areas. Keeping him means a very good ball playing nucleus ofthe sie. Combined with Hindy and Cayless, we are a ball playing side with a big kicking game. This scenario is balanced against the cost of Dykes. Would he accept the inevitable reduced offer?

WITT - Exit Dykes, and Witt comes into the picture. Smith has seen him as a long term answer, but also hasn't shown confidence in him to allow him the reigs just yet. I'm not sure that Witt is seen as the long term answer - and I'm not sure he is either.

THORMAN - Still young. However, his earlier shots at first grade have not been renewed. Looks like he is not the messiah that you lot all predicted.

SMITH - As an Oz Schoolboys rep (killed 'em in the UK), he is the most potentially talented. Yet BS has not given him a shot at grade yet. Tim Smith will not be our first grade half in 2005, and having Morris at hooker only confiems it.

So I guess that us why Parra are chasing Kurt Gidley this morning. Gidley has experience, and is talented. He is also a great utility, and would assist in filling depth elsewhere.

Gidley aside, I'd be betting that Witt would ba half. And I'm not sure that we can't do better.
 

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