The sad reality for Dave Batista

[Azkatro]

Now before I come off sounding like a hypocrite, because I've sung many praises about Batista in the past, I will remind everyone that I am a big fan of Kane. You'll understand why I mention this if you keep reading.

I realised last night, in the main event between Orton and Batista, that the fate of Batista will be jaded. Currently he is very, very hot property and we're all dying to see how the Evolution thing will turn out. But even if Batista gets a run at the title, the chances of that run being any more than very short-lived are slim at best.

The fact is, Batista will wind up as another Kane. Certainly better than a midcarder, but never to be a consistent main eventer. The problem is his size and power. With guys like this, psychologically speaking, the expectation is for them to win and win well. It's exactly this reason that the best way for them to be used is to put over upcoming champions.

Consider the psychology of last night's main event. Batista is big, and strong, and aggressive. He spends a lot of the match beating the living shit out of Randy Orton. Now, against a midcarder, it's only a matter of time before we see a pinfall by the big man. But against a main eventer, and someone who needs to be really over at the moment like Randy Orton, it's not that simple. Someone good enough to be champion will miraculously take the beating and still kick out. They will survive. They will fight back and somehow get the win.

Just look at the majority of HBK's main events, that's basically how it goes. HBK does that kind of match better than anyone I've seen, which is how a relatively small man (I think he's 220 odd pounds) can consistently be a main eventer and even a champion for as long as he was.

Batista - the next Kane.

 

[Broncodroid]

Good post.

I if I may play the part of devils's advocate...what about the most recent man-beast outside Batista in Brock Lesnar?

He came into the WWE as this man devouring beast and this gimmick really worked for me. He was awesome to watch and it was expected for him to dominate his matches similar to what you allude to for Kane and Batista; "With guys like this, psychologically speaking, the expectation is for them to win and win well. It's exactly this reason that the best way for them to be used is to put over upcoming champions".

Lesnar went on to be a good WWE Champion though his facade of invincibility tapered a little as the heel title holder as like most with the belt playing the heel, he copped some beatings from the good guy wrestlers yet kept his title by getting disqualified or with help from his "minions".

I am hoping the WWE get this storyline right involving Batista, IMO, they are setting this up very well. I am an avid HHH fan. though this 10 time champion thing is becoming boring. Are they setting him up to take on Flair's 16 time reign in which Flair will turn on his "champ" perhaps joining Orton and Batista?

Batista will be the champion at WM, IMO again, he will be a fighting champion, a face, someone who takes on all challenges in which he will win over the public in the USA.

Time will tell...

 

[canberra_raiders2k2]

Batista has something that brock never had..which is great back stage attitude..

In a recent interview with one of the writers of raw when asked about batista he said something along the lines of "his days off are spent working out"..he has the desier to be a big name wrestler.

Look at JBL, he has size and mic skills other then that he lacks alot but his backstage attitude is great and look where his at because of that...i feel batista can be a huge star, great in ring abilty, great mic skils and great attitude.

Kane is good but he doesnt have the in ring presence that batista has..taker has it and look where he is, although i just wish taker would retire lol...god damn his boring nowadays.

 

[Broncodroid]

I have to agree with canberra_raiders2k2...I have read the same thing about Dave Batista.

Brock Lesnar, I think I may be repeating myself but bare with me, trod on alot of people backstage and his 'higher than thou' attitude rubber alot of people the wrong way in which HHH (part of the creative team) said "he will be back when we say he will be back". Something to that effect. Brock leaving for the NFL was a slap in the face given the rise of his character ahead of more established and willing stars.

I really hope Batista goes forward. He has improved 10 fold on the mic and he works the crowd really well. I hope to see a long running battle with HHH and Batista be a stand alone face.

 

[Raider_69]

I disagree
Batista will get a title run and have it for a decent time, they are setting this big man up the way they should of set Brock up
Brock immediatly squashed the entire roster and was maineventing, slow and steady wins the race with Tisita, he is physically dominate like Brock but the fans are more over with him because they have seen him develop from low card tag teamer to a huge star

Id expect him to have a good 3-6 month title reign when he gets it

 

[Azkatro]

Interesting to read some other thoughts. I personally think Brock had more potential than Batista, he was much more versatile, stronger and more confident on the mic and most importantly showed emotions and potential weaknesses better. Brock was a much more interesting character overall. Batista is good in the ring, huge and over with the crowd but I think he's a bit one dimensional as a character. He's the quiet achiever that everybody likes, doesn't say too much but just goes about his business. Good role model, but how many characters like that enjoy good title runs?

It's similar to the reason that Benoit worked his arse off for 18 years before getting a run with the title. Do all the work you like; the interesting characters are the emotional ones, the unpredictable, the loudmouths, the true entertainers. Look at the great champions of the past - Hulk Hogan (the weird looking guy who was obsessed with saying his prayers and taking his vitamins), Ric Flair (the dirty one who you loved to hate, had that arrogant grin, and totally went nuts when things didn't go his way), Bret Hart (the arrogant, opinionated yet awesome wrestler who had to win at all costs and couldn't stand the posers), The Rock (the hilarious Somoan guy who does that ridiculous People's Elbow move), Steve Austin (the beer-swilling redneck who didn't know much except how to beat the living shit out of people who pissed him off, especially the boss), Shawn Michaels (the cheeky guy from D-X, a ladies man who was always offending grandmothers and taking the piss out of people he disliked), and Triple H (used to be cool like Shawn Michaels, but then turned into a real prick that does whatever he can to keep winning the title)

You look at those kinds of champions and they are memorable characters in their own right, Batista simply doesn't have that element about him. Unless he starts becoming more interesting, more in-depth REAL quick, I don't think he'll enjoy that much success at the top level. Strong man, great wrestler, fairly uninteresting person. Orton has much more going for him to sustain a title run.

 

[Azkatro]

Oh by the way you can add Undertaker to that list, you know that creepy dude with the hat

 

[Broncodroid]

Orton, as well documented in other threads for mine is quite simply p### poor when on the mic, he tries to hard and it shows. I don't think he will ever enjoy the success of the guys mentioned, he is too 'cardboard cut out' like. Just my opinion.

Good points raised on Brock and the other champions, you may have a point with Batista questioning his depth as a character that go for the long haul so to speak.

 

[Raider_69]

Batista is underated in ways of promo'ing and showing his emotion
look at him in the ring, he shows plenty, in his little tibids with Triple Z, his little smirks after he gets named in the Chamber etc

all these are little things that help him get across his emotion. He is pure business but you do see little things about his personality

i can see where your coming from but i recon he is much more interesting than Crock Lesner, he was a revamped Bill "im gonna squash all maineventers" Goldberg. Batista is where its at IMO

He is the future of the big guy role

 

[Mr Saab]

i prefer batista to Brock any day of the week.
I hope batista is used properly as the guy could be anything in wrestling. He has the looks, can wrestle (ok so he isnt brett hart or curt hennig) a bit, and has potential with the mic.
HHH wont be around forever and they need to use him the right way.

 

[thuganomics]

Brock Lesnar was a better Wrestler then Batista, Brock had the power and the technical ability. So he was like a Kane and a Kurt Angle mixed into one. But Batista does have better backstage attitude.
Azkatro is spot on the money, he most likley will become another Kane.
I dont think that Batista will be a great face, the only way he will be a great face is if he does become like a Goldberg and the fans would just want him to smash every one in sight, im hoping that doesn't happen, just like Brock Lesnar was...but Brock actually had great wrestling ability.
I dont think that Batista will end up being that great, so im with Azkatro on this one.

 

[Tidus_Raider]

The current fued so to speak that HHH is having with batista should be the fued he had with Orton.

 

[thuganomics]

Indeed

 

[canberra_raiders2k2]

yea they rushed orton way to quick..he would of played it great.

You can thank piss poor ratings for him being a face too quickly.

 

[thuganomics]

I think they wanted him to win the world title, have HHH be jealous and etc and Kick him out of evolution. Andf possibly for Orton to get screwed out of the title And have a match that had been long waited for at Wrestlemania. They did a poor job of that, and now they have done a good job with Batista, and hopefully we can see Orton vs Batista vs HHH at Mania.
Hope the rumours of Flair being in the match as well to make it a fatal four way Elimination match are un-true.

 

[canberra_raiders2k2]

im liking flair as the manager position lol.

Anyone notice how he fights with the ref to get in? i swear i laugh everytime for a good 10mins.

 

[Misanthrope]

Triple H (you know, the guy who married the boss' daughter and built a career around it)

 

[MILLWALL]

If that peice of trash john cena can be a *star* anyone can

 

[thuganomics]

.......hate you Millwall

 

[CanadianSteve]

They should bring back Brock and have him face Batista.