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The Sydney Football Stadium bids for $60 million makeover

horrie hastings

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How good was that game against the dogs where we scored on the bell and Smith converting from the sideline to win us the game?

Yes , that happened right near where I was sitting Glen Frendo tried to knock the ball back and made a complete mess of it and Wayne Challis swooped and scored, then David Smith converted from the side line to give Easts the win.
 
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But, yes.

The obvious solution is another WSS. Cheaper build, brings pretty much the same return and shit the Trust dickhead up.

Maybe move it out of Moore park and give the new stadium to the actual government body in charge of stadiums ..........


Yep, f**k the trust and I hope someone re floats that stadium of central rail lines idea. I know it’s not likely but it made a lot of sense
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Yep, f**k the trust and I hope someone re floats that stadium of central rail lines idea. I know it’s not likely but it made a lot of sense

I dont know why this trainline idea doesnt get more support...

Sure, it would be a bit more expensive. But greenies would get more park space and we would be reclaiming useless land in a great spot.

Make it part of a bigger land reclamation project for new shops and offices and it would be pretty f*ckin popular
 

Vee

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Yes , that happened right near where I was sitting Glen Frendo tried to knock the ball back and made a complete mess of it and Wayne Challis swooped and scored, then David Smith converted from the side line to give Easts the win.
Challis, ex-Souths Brisbane? Unreal ability to score in tight situations in the corner. He'd look for all the world like he was going to be bundled into touch and then would dive and slide over from 5-10m out as the defence went over the top of him.
 

horrie hastings

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Challis, ex-Souths Brisbane? Unreal ability to score in tight situations in the corner. He'd look for all the world like he was going to be bundled into touch and then would dive and slide over from 5-10m out as the defence went over the top of him.

Yes , watched a Bulldogs vs Roosters game from 1985 and Wayne Challis scored just before half time where he should have been bundled into touch but brushed off the cover defence with sheer strength.
 

blue bags

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I dont know why this trainline idea doesnt get more support...

Sure, it would be a bit more expensive. But greenies would get more park space and we would be reclaiming useless land in a great spot.

Make it part of a bigger land reclamation project for new shops and offices and it would be pretty f*ckin popular
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A new stadium for Sydney in the city centre and served by every major rail line, plus the chance to return Moore Park to parkland. It sounds like a utopian dream from an urban planner.

But architecture firm Bates Smart has produced just such a concept, which they have pitched to the NSW government: a 45,000-seat stadium over the platforms and adjacent rail yards at Central station instead of a new stadium at the site of the current Allianz stadium in Moore Park.

But despite the proposal’s merits it has been met with a tepid response from the New South Wales government.

A government spokesperson said any unsolicited proposal needed “to be evaluated under the appropriate guidelines”.

Bates Smart director Philip Vivian says the idea is entirely possible – a stadium is a relatively light structure, equivalent to a six-storey building. The firm has asked engineering company Arup about its concept and believes it is entirely feasible.


“It would involve building a podium over the stations – it’s a matter of creating land – then the cost of the stadium on top would be the same, he said.

The new stadium would be served directly by all of Sydney’s rail lines, buses and the light rail, while being close to dining precincts in Haymarket and Surry Hills.

“It would create a piece of the city that heals a big scar in its fabric,” Vivian said of the concept of building over the vast expanse of rail lines in Sydney’s Central station area.


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An image of Moore Park with the Sydney Football Stadium removed and the Sydney Cricket Ground remaining. Photograph: Mark Merton/Bates Smart
“The Colosseum in Rome established the concept of the stadium as a public space embedded in the fabric of the city; a monumental piece of infrastructure for public spectacle. In modern times however, with the advent of the motor vehicle and the suburbs, stadiums became mono-functional objects, isolated on the periphery of the city and surrounded by car parking,” the Bates Smart brief says.

“Today a renaissance is under way, with stadiums once again being integrated into the city fabric and acting as catalysts of urban renewal,” it says.

But Bates Smart’s idea appears to have come too late to be given serious consideration by the NSW government.

Even though the government only announced its $1.5bn final decision on redeveloping Sydney’s two stadiums in late March, the firm met with resistance when it pitched it in May.

The government has already commenced a design competition for the $729m rebuild of Allianz stadium, which will be the first of the two Sydney stadiums to be redeveloped. The other is the ANZ stadium at Homebush, which was built for the 2000 Olympics.

The government says it will be announcing the winner in a month and has plans to begin the project before the state election in March next year.

However, the NSW government has been prepared to upend planning processes in the past, when it considered there were benefits to NSW.

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James Packer’s Crown Resorts convinced the O’Farrell government to entirely change the masterplan for Barangaroo six years into the massive project and move a public park away from the water’s edge in order to accommodate his casino on the water’s edge.

The government justified accepting the unsolicited proposal by Packer because of the tourism benefits and jobs the casino would bring to Sydney.

Vivian said a stadium at Central, rather than Moore Park would bring enormous benefits to the economy because the surrounding areas offered far more opportunities for visitors to spend money.

“A stadium should not be an isolated element on the edge of a city or in a park. What people want to do is extend their experience and go out for a meal or to a bar afterwards. At Allianz they spill out into nowhere,” he said.

“The NSW government often pays to get major events to Sydney but there’s nothing for tourists to spend their money on when they attend an event at Moore Park,” he said.

He also said the location would provide a better backdrop to showcase Sydney in international broadcasts, which would in turn help promote Sydney as a destination.

A stadium at Central would also allow Moore Park to be reclaimed as parkland and end the surrounding parkland being used as carparks when events were on.

“The whole problem with Moore Park is that it’s based on the outmoded concept of the automobile being the main form of getting to a game,” Vivian said.

Building a stadium at Central would also take the time pressure off the government’s plans and a potential blowout in costs as the old stadium at Moore Park could continue to operate until the new stadium is finished.

The government currently hopes to begin demolition of Allianz by the end of the year and have it completed by March 2022. The stadium at Homebush, which is now to be refurbished rather than rebuilt at a cost of $850m, is due for completion in mid 2021.

The Bates Smart idea will be up against some powerful potential opposition. Radio host Alan Jones and former News Corp managing director John Hartigan are on the board of the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust, which is chaired by former Transfield executive Tony Shepherd. The trust has been the driving force behind the redevelopment at Moore Park.

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Several reports have recommended the two stadiums be brought under common ownership and managed jointly rather than as rival venues.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ydney-stadium-suspended-above-central-station
 

flippikat

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^^ That’s far too sensible for the nsw govt to consider. Seems you’re blighted with fckwits running your state even more than most in Australia!

It reminds me of what the regional council did here in Wellington.

In the 1990s, the grand old Athletic Park was well past it's best & was due to be replaced.

The candidate sites were Aotea (near Porirua) which was a "greenfields" site, but 20 minutes north of Wellington itself, or spare railyards land right next to Wellington railway station - the main transport hub for the region.

I can't believe they even considered Aotea.. the station site works really well. They got some things wrong (no roof, and it's not rectangular), but the location was dead right.
 

Perth Red

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You can get away with being a little bit out of centre as long as you have spot on public transport links to it. Optus isnt walking distance to cbd but you can get direct trains to its door and it’s a 3min train ride into cbd afterwards for drinks. And you do have crown resort and a decent massive pub next door.

Moore park site just feels disconnected even though it’s only a few minutes walk to pubs.
 

flippikat

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You can get away with being a little bit out of centre as long as you have spot on public transport links to it. Optus isnt walking distance to cbd but you can get direct trains to its door and it’s a 3min train ride into cbd afterwards for drinks. And you do have crown resort and a decent massive pub next door.

Moore park site just feels disconnected even though it’s only a few minutes walk to pubs.

I think links to outlying suburbs are just as crucial as vicinity of bars/restaurants.

In Wellington's case, the railway site was a no-brainer, as all the train lines (to the Kapiti coast, the Hutt Valley & Johnsonville - satellite cities, basically) terminate there & all bus routes around Wellington itself pass through there.

Great for families that just want to go to a game, then head home pretty soon after.
 

TheRam

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I dont know why this trainline idea doesnt get more support...

Sure, it would be a bit more expensive. But greenies would get more park space and we would be reclaiming useless land in a great spot.

Make it part of a bigger land reclamation project for new shops and offices and it would be pretty f*ckin popular


It would become the number one hub for sport in the country for Aussies and tourists alike. The crowds would hardly ever be less then 20-25K for RL games. You would get at least 5K at every game from city dwellers, workers and tourist who want to experience an Aussie sport at a great and most convenient location. The hype and advertising around the stadium would be like moths to a flame.

To me it is the biggest missed opportunity we have allowed to slip through our fingers yet when it comes to stadiums and there have been some doozies. Maybe someone who has a Twiter account can bring it up on the Live NRL FOX Footy Show that is on for 3 hours every day now that there is no footy. Hell they dribble on with so much crap, at least it may give them something good for the game to discuss and some good might come of it.

Could ask the host of the day to skype interview the lead guy architect that proposed it and drew up the design in the first place. That would be a start in trying to turn this listless ship around. Get media exposure and keep it going until someone notices.
 
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