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The Sydney Football Stadium bids for $60 million makeover

seanoff

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they’re also AstroTurf aren’t they? No way you’d get enough light in that roof for good natural grass growth.

Phoenix solves that problem with a moveable field. Lol. that’s expensive too. But yeah indoor stadiums in the USA mostly use a product called field turf.

the players prefer the more natural surfaces.

although to be honest most pro sports stadiums that can grow grass use hybrid systems like grassmaster where the natural turf is grown through a carpet of artificial turf. So it looks good even if very worn and the grass is actually more robust as the roots intertwine with the artificial fibres. Pretty much every major stadium in Aus has synthetic reinforced turf.
https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/...face-quality-at-sydneys-new-bankwest-stadium/

“Logan said the depth of the Bankwest Stadium profile was just 300mm and the surface was expected to be first class given the SCG's struggles in recent months catering for a variety of codes as Allianz Stadium is razed.

He added “it's sand based with synthetic reinforced turf on the top," Logan said. "That helps with the stability. It will never tear up like the grounds that don't have that reinforcement, which can become quite savage. Our ground will hold together really well.”
 
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flippikat

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I think attitudes towards dedicated stadiums have changed in the last 20 years. Back in the mid-late 90s when the Cake Tin was planned out of the cities that regularly hosted both Rugby and Cricket internationals only Wellington and Hamilton had separate grounds, Eden Park, Lancaster Park and Carisbrook were all dual use and I think that was generally the way big grounds were envisioned in NZ at the time.

Yeah, I think the turning point was when Hamilton decided to keep it's cricket & footy stadia separate in the late 1990s/early 2000s, opting for upgrades of the existing grounds instead of "one stadium to house them all".

I don't know what the decision-making was behind that choice, nor Dunedin's choice to replace Carisbrook with a rectangular Forsythe-Barr Stadium a few years later.. I'm guessing it was probably more budget-driven than any visionary drive to change tack, given how we approach infrastructure projects.

In Christchurch's case, it was clearly driven by the earthquake - "We can't build something totally new, as we can't justify that.. so how can we utilise what we have, now Lancaster Park is condemned?". It just so happens that added to the 'separate stadia' trend - a silver lining to that disaster.
 

Lambretta

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You can get away with being a little bit out of centre as long as you have spot on public transport links to it. Optus isnt walking distance to cbd but you can get direct trains to its door and it’s a 3min train ride into cbd afterwards for drinks. And you do have crown resort and a decent massive pub next door.

Moore park site just feels disconnected even though it’s only a few minutes walk to pubs.

Exactly. Look at the Stadium on the Gold Coast. Brilliant stadium linked to a rail line from erm, Brisbane.
If you live on the Gold Coast its near impossible to get to
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Exactly. Look at the Stadium on the Gold Coast. Brilliant stadium linked to a rail line from erm, Brisbane.
If you live on the Gold Coast its near impossible to get to

Yeh, I have never understood the reasoning behind the location for Robina.

I don tknow much about GC geography, but even metricon seems like it would have been the better spot. Why didnt we get the new stadium there?
 

siv

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Yeh, I have never understood the reasoning behind the location for Robina.

I don tknow much about GC geography, but even metricon seems like it would have been the better spot. Why didnt we get the new stadium there?

Holiday strip is on the coast serviced by light rail

While main transport highway and rail is where population growth is planned

I expect the rail to one day be extended to Byron Bay and link up the airport and with the north coast line

While light rail will need to link up with transport hubs in Coolongatta or Burleigh

Might need a few east west links though
 

blue bags

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A new stadium for Sydney in the city centre and served by every major rail line, plus the chance to return Moore Park to parkland. It sounds like a utopian dream from an urban planner.

But architecture firm Bates Smart has produced just such a concept, which they have pitched to the NSW government: a 45,000-seat stadium over the platforms and adjacent rail yards at Central station instead of a new stadium at the site of the current Allianz stadium in Moore Park.

But despite the proposal’s merits it has been met with a tepid response from the New South Wales government.

A government spokesperson said any unsolicited proposal needed “to be evaluated under the appropriate guidelines”.

Bates Smart director Philip Vivian says the idea is entirely possible – a stadium is a relatively light structure, equivalent to a six-storey building. The firm has asked engineering company Arup about its concept and believes it is entirely feasible.


“It would involve building a podium over the stations – it’s a matter of creating land – then the cost of the stadium on top would be the same, he said.

The new stadium would be served directly by all of Sydney’s rail lines, buses and the light rail, while being close to dining precincts in Haymarket and Surry Hills.

“It would create a piece of the city that heals a big scar in its fabric,” Vivian said of the concept of building over the vast expanse of rail lines in Sydney’s Central station area.


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An image of Moore Park with the Sydney Football Stadium removed and the Sydney Cricket Ground remaining. Photograph: Mark Merton/Bates Smart
“The Colosseum in Rome established the concept of the stadium as a public space embedded in the fabric of the city; a monumental piece of infrastructure for public spectacle. In modern times however, with the advent of the motor vehicle and the suburbs, stadiums became mono-functional objects, isolated on the periphery of the city and surrounded by car parking,” the Bates Smart brief says.

“Today a renaissance is under way, with stadiums once again being integrated into the city fabric and acting as catalysts of urban renewal,” it says.

But Bates Smart’s idea appears to have come too late to be given serious consideration by the NSW government.

Even though the government only announced its $1.5bn final decision on redeveloping Sydney’s two stadiums in late March, the firm met with resistance when it pitched it in May.





He also said the location would provide a better backdrop to showcase Sydney in international broadcasts, which would in turn help promote Sydney as a destination.

A stadium at Central would also allow Moore Park to be reclaimed as parkland and end the surrounding parkland being used as carparks when events were on.

“The whole problem with Moore Park is that it’s based on the outmoded concept of the automobile being the main form of getting to a game,” Vivian said.

Building a stadium at Central would also take the time pressure off the government’s plans and a potential blowout in costs as the old stadium at Moore Park could continue to operate until the new stadium is finished.

The government currently hopes to begin demolition of Allianz by the end of the year and have it completed by March 2022. The stadium at Homebush, which is now to be refurbished rather than rebuilt at a cost of $850m, is due for completion in mid 2021.

The Bates Smart idea will be up against some powerful potential opposition. Radio host Alan Jones and former News Corp managing director John Hartigan are on the board of the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust, which is chaired by former Transfield executive Tony Shepherd. The trust has been the driving force behind the redevelopment at Moore Park.

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Several reports have recommended the two stadiums be brought under common ownership and managed jointly rather than as rival venues.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ydney-stadium-suspended-above-central-station
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World’s Tallest Hybrid Timber Building at Central Station’s New Tech Precinct

The 40-storey tower will run on 100 per cent renewable energy, consume 50 per cent less energy than a conventional building and be used by 4000 Atlassian workers.
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Sydney-based and -founded software company Atlassian will change the city’s skyline with its new headquarters. It announced yesterday it will construct the world’s tallest hybrid timber building as part of a new Silicon Valley-esque technology precinct around Central Station called Tech Central.

The 40-storey tower is scheduled for completion by 2025 and is rumoured to cost an estimated $1 billion. Standing at around 180 metres tall, the finished building will overtake Vancouver’s Terrace House, currently under construction, which was slated to be the world’s tallest hybrid timber building at 71 metres.

New York-based SHoP Architects will oversee the build, and Sydney practice BVN has been enlisted as the building’s design team. The building will be at the Railway Square end of Central Station and incorporate the Parcels Shed, which is currently a YHA but from 1912 to the early 1980s, was a place where parcels were delivered and dispatched. Backpackers need not fear, though – the YHA will be integrated into the new building, with around 480 beds.


“Sydney has the potential to be one of the world’s leading technology cities and the creation of a tech precinct sends a loud signal that we’re in the race to take a slice of the world’s most valuable market,” said Atlassian co-founder and co-CEO Scott Farquhar in a statement. “That’s an exciting place to be.

“This building will breathe new life into this part of Sydney. It’s an amazing design. We’ve searched the world to find the best architects and engineers to put it together.”

In-keeping with Atlassian’s goal of operating on 100 per cent renewable energy and net zero emissions by 2050, the building will aim to generate 50 per cent less carbon during construction (compared with the construction of similar buildings) and consume 50 per cent less energy while in operation than a conventional building.

To achieve these targets, it will have solar panels integrated into its facade, use natural ventilation, have a self-shading system to regulate temperature and incorporate terraced gardens that will be temperate year-round.

“The space that we are building will be highly sustainable and highly flexible,” says Farquhar “It will be purpose-built for the future of work, for tomorrow’s world, not today’s.”

Tech Central is part of a larger revitalisation project of 24 hectares of space surrounding Central Station. The plan is to eventually link Ultimo with Redfern on the CBD’s southern edge, improve access and transport to an area divided by rail lines, and provide green space.

Atlassian will lodge its development application in coming months with a plan to begin construction next year.
https://www.broadsheet.com.au/sydne...r-building-central-stations-new-tech-precinct ohh well we can only dream
 
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