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Third Test England v India Aug 18-22 Trent Bridge

Will the Indian batsmen put one good innings together of 350 runs?


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ANTiLAG

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Will the Indian batting team continue to just lie back and think of England?

Or will they put up some resistance this time?
 

Twizzle

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ICC rankings: Gaping holes in India’s claim to status as world’s best Test team
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Virat Kohli’s India have had their struggles overseas.Source: AP
UNLESS something changes quickly, serious questions will be asked of India’s status as the world’s best Test team.

Things have gotten ugly for India in England. Having pushed the hosts all the way in the series opener at Birmingham, the tourists were hammered by an innings and 159 runs at Lord’s.

The scorecard said India had lost in four days but in reality the rain-affected match saw less than two days’ worth of cricket with 170.3 overs enough to decide the match.

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Things did not go well for India at Lord’s.Source: AFP
By the end of this series the International Cricket Council’s Test rankings could be accused of playing a similar trick. Whatever happens across the next three matches, India will leave England as officially the world’s best Test team. By the end of this campaign India could have lost seven of its past nine and still have a five-point lead on top of the ladder.

It’s a ranking anomaly that raises some questions over the ICC’s methodology which does not weight victories at home any differently to wins away.

In the two years prior to the first Test against England, India had played 17 of its 25 Tests at home. In a positive step the new Test Championship beginning in 2019 should ensure such a ratio is no longer possible, with teams playing at least three series at home and three away every two years.

Since the current ranking period began in May 2015, India has played 21 of its 37 Tests at home and 28 on the subcontinent. Only England (23 Tests) has played more matches at home in this period. It’s scheduling the Indians have capitalised on, with their win-loss ratio at home over the past 39 months sitting at a world-leading 15.0 (15 wins, one loss) and 10.00 in Asia.


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In this period the Indians have only lost four of their nine Tests outside of Asia and won three. It’s not the worst record — only South Africa (W/L of 1.0) and Australia (WL of 1.17) have better W/L ratios away from Asia — but it is helped largely by the 2-0 series win India enjoyed against the West Indies back in 2016. The conditions for that series were on the drier side and the opposition were in a state of disarray.

Away from the spin-friendly conditions of the subcontinent and the Caribbean, things aren’t nearly as pretty for Kohli’s men. They may be guaranteed to hold onto the No.1 ranking at series-end but the all-too familiar critique of India being lions at home and lambs abroad is certain to return.

Like clockwork, India has seemingly reached the point in its four-year cycle where things fall apart. In 2011 MS Dhoni’s side went to England sitting atop the rankings after a period of dominance at home and lost 4-0. Five months later they came down under to suffer another 4-0 whitewash.

Australia will be hoping history repeats itself this summer when the Asian powerhouse ventures south again. And there are reasons to be optimistic from an Australian perspective.

India has lost four of its five Tests in the pace-friendly conditions of England and South Africa, with its one victory coming in a dead rubber at Johannesburg.

Kohli is the only Indian to have scored a century across those five matches — he’s scored two — and one of only two averaging more than 30. The other is seamer Bhuvneshwar Kumar, who has averaged 33.66 across his four innings. Worryingly for India, the next best average also belongs to a man who in the side predominantly for his bowling — off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin (25.00), whose 33 not out at Lord’s is India’s third highest individual score of the series, behind Kohli’s 149 and 51 at Edgbaston.

They are numbers that reflect the reliance India has had on Kohli away from the subcontinent. No wonder the skipper is nursing a stiff back.

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Virat Kohli was hindered by a stiff back on day four.Source: AP
There is a silver lining however. Although India’s one victory away from home came in a dead rubber that match was played on a Johannesburg pitch so juiced up for the seamers that South Africa opener Dean Elgar felt the match should have been abandoned. The Test saw first drop Cheteshwar Pujara score a half-century, opener Murali Vijay bat out 127 deliveries to dull the new ball in the second innings, and middle-order mainstay Ajinkya Rahane make a fluent 48.

It’s the type of performance India needs to produce more regularly on the road. Maybe then their status as the world’s best Test team will stop being questioned.


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ANTiLAG

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England isn't "pace friendly" - it is "trundler friendly" for those that swing or hit the seam.

Sam Curran looks a threatening prospect in England, and I can assure you - he'd most likely be cannon fodder in Aus, more than he was in NZ domestic.

But until a side remains undefeated at home, and snags a series win in either SL or Ind, India seems unchallenged for number 1 because they thrashed SL away, and beat them at home too. SL's winning at home (and away in the UAE), keeps India number 1. They just decimated South Africa. Everytime Bangladesh pull a surprise over England, SA or Aus, this again helps India stay on top.

As does England beating Aus and SA at home. While Eng beats SA home and away, SA beats Aus home and away, and Aus beats Eng at home and loses away, no one is dominating the seamer countries like India is dominating the spin countries. And the seamer countries are getting thrashed in India, Sri Lanka (and losing in the UAE too often as well). Heck, they're not even leaving Bangladesh with guaranteed points these days.

If India isn't number 1 - who is?
Safrica? No way. Not on their abysmal showing in SL and losing home and away to England.
Australia? No way. Losing home and away to SA, and thrashed in Eng,UAE and SL; and leaving Bangladesh with a 1-1 draw.
NZ? Not on our losing to Aus and SA home and away and away in India, despite clearly having it over the English. NZ has a fortunate record of drawing its last away tours to SL, UAE and Bangladesh.
England? Unable to beat Aus away, NZ and Pakistan anywhere, or hold a bat in Asia of late.

All the above teams lost their away tours to India and beat India at home last. None of them beat SL away. None of them beat Pakistan away. None of them beat Bangladesh away.

So there's a few ways to challenge India for number 1;
Aus, NZ, Eng and SA either learn to play spin better, or one of them starts regularly beating everyone home and away, like India is doing in Asia*
(India drew in Bangladesh in 2015 but has won everything else and suffered no losses).

Alternatively, pray SL or Bangladesh start beating India. But given WI has just reverted back to the Dukes and produced swinging conditions this summer, India's guaranteed points there are no more which will help.

Spin tracks:

India
UAE
SL
Bang
WI

Seam/swing/fast tracks:

Aus
NZ
SA
Eng
WI

Ireland balance out Afg.
 
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Eelectrica

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That's not a bad idea. Given how short Australia are on openers, him coming out of retirement at 47 and playing is probably still better than Renshaw and Burns ;)
Well at least Renshaw made the effort this season playing the county comp.
 

ANTiLAG

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Well at least Renshaw made the effort this season playing the county comp.

'aye - smart move for the young fulla too. Hussey arguably made his way from domestic into Australia with county cricket help, as did Chris Rogers.

Really hasn't helped Pujara any. He's been inept at county red ball, and still inept in the tests.

How is Renshaw going in England?
 

Timbo

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Renshaw was carving up before his finger.

It's a lot harder now than it used to be. Counties used to be able to sign two foreign players at their discretion. It's now one player per county, and that player has to have played international cricket for their own country in the two years leading up to the contract.

A host of players who were dominant county pros - both Husseys, Jamie Cox, Simon Katich, Glenn Turner, Damien Wright - to name a few, would not be county eligible these days.
 

ANTiLAG

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Renshaw was carving up before his finger.

It's a lot harder now than it used to be. Counties used to be able to sign two foreign players at their discretion. It's now one player per county, and that player has to have played international cricket for their own country in the two years leading up to the contract.

A host of players who were dominant county pros - both Husseys, Jamie Cox, Simon Katich, Glenn Turner, Damien Wright - to name a few, would not be county eligible these days.

Ahhh - well its working out fantastically well for NZ players. Every man and his dog in NZ now gets a county stint if they want one. Including non - two year internationals.

It is one "unqualified" and one further "unqualified but qualifying" player plus Kolpaks (until Brexit).

To be qualifying, don't have a central contract. So there's still plenty of imports per team :)
 
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TheParraboy

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That's not a bad idea. Given how short Australia are on openers, him coming out of retirement at 47 and playing is probably still better than Renshaw and Burns ;)


Mate

Im talking about rock climbing and abseiling, nothing to do with cricket ;)
 

ANTiLAG

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Mate

Im talking about rock climbing and abseiling, nothing to do with cricket ;)

Well I don't see Australian cricketers climbing any mountains under Langer.

So this abseiling then, is the rope tied around Australian cricketers waist or neck? ;)
 

ANTiLAG

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What's the difference between David Warner missing a punch on Joe Root then subsequently ordering Bancroft to standpaper a ball and Ben Stokes knocking someone out?

Ben Stokes will be playing cricket this upcoming season (as he was not guilty of any wrong doing) ;)
 
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ANTiLAG

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Rashid and Curran will be nervous I imagine.

Tbh, I hope they keep playing Curran, but its just such a safety net having a spinner in the team 'just in case'.

I don't rate Curran's bowling (outside hooping it in England or Dukes in WI). But I like watching his batting. The guy is damn entertaining and fairly gifted as a stroke maker (not in a Bradman way - but in a Chris Cairns way).
 

Timbo

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They like having a point of difference, without the left-armer it's four right arm fast-medium specialists.

By rights, it should be Stokes. Woakes proved his all-round ability at Lords and Curran was excellent in Birmingham. Stokes was out of the team because of his own actions, he should have to wait for a slot like anyone else.
 

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